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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 11:31 AM
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Feds to Investigate Voting Irregularies: NOV 26, AOL NEWS
Updated: 08:55 AM EST (I pasted the link at the bottom of the page)
Feds to Investigate Voting Irregularies
By LARRY MARGASAK, AP

WASHINGTON (AP) - Congress' investigative agency, responding to complaints from around the country, has begun to look into the Nov. 2 vote count, including the handling of provisional ballots and malfunctions of voting machines.

The presidential results won't change, but the studies could lead to changes.

The Government Accountability Office usually begins investigations in response to specific requests from Congress, but the agency's head, Comptroller General David Walker, said the GAO acted on its own because of the many comments it received about ballot counting.

GAO officials said the investigation was not triggered by a request from several House Democrats, who wrote the agency this month seeking an investigation. The effort, led by senior Judiciary Committee Democrat John Conyers of Michigan, was not joined by any Republicans.

Walker said in a statement that some of the election work is under way. The probe will cover voter registration, voting machine problems and handling of provisional ballots, which were given to voters who said they were eligible to cast votes although their names were not on the rolls.

He cautioned that the GAO cannot enforce the law if voting irregularities are found, noting that state officials regulate elections and the Justice Department prosecutes voting rights violations and election fraud.

Conyers said in an interview Wednesday that several House Democrats "want the widest, most impartial investigation that can be had. Whether they (GAO investigators) want to go as far as we want to go, we're not certain. We're at first base. Where do we go from here?"

The congressman said he plans to meet with Walker and key Republicans to see whether Congress should take action to improve election systems.

He said he would like the investigation to include allegations that insufficient numbers of voting machines were sent to some Democratic areas.

The study also should cover how election officials responded to problems they encountered, he said.

Thousands of complaints have poured in to Congress and appeared on Internet sites about problems with the elections, the Democrats said.

In make-or-break Ohio, where Bush won 20 electoral votes, voters cast 155,337 provisional ballots. They are under review by state elections officials, who count them if registration is confirmed. About 78 percent of the ballots counted so far have been deemed valid.

Meanwhile, election officials in two Ohio counties have discovered possible cases of people voting twice in the presidential election, and a third county found about 2,600 ballots were double-counted.

Groups checking election results have overwhelmed Ohio county boards of election with requests for information, and a statewide recount of the presidential vote appears inevitable after a pair of third-party candidates collected enough money to demand one.

Other examples of problems cited by Conyers and other House Democrats:

In Columbus, Ohio, an electronic voting system gave President Bush nearly 4,000 extra votes.

An electronic count of a South Florida gambling ballot initiative failed to record thousands of votes.

In Guilford County, N.C., vote totals were so large that the tabulation computer didn't count some votes, and a recount awarded an additional 22,000 votes to Democrat John Kerry.

In San Francisco, a glitch in voting machine software left votes uncounted.

In Youngstown, Ohio, voters who tried to cast ballots for Kerry on electronic machines saw their votes recorded for President Bush instead.

In Sarpy County, Neb., a computer problem added thousands of votes to the county total. It was not clear which presidential candidate benefited from the error in the overwhelmingly Republican state.

On the Net:

GAO: http://www.gao.gov
11/26/04 08:54 EST

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20041126085509990006&cid=946
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 11:38 AM
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1. One single statement bugs the crap out of me---
"The presidential results won't change, but the studies could lead to changes."

I've heard this time and time again in all sorts of MSM discusssions about the election. How can they be so sure??????


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Amich Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 11:42 AM
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2. That is the line that bothered me the most also
I take it as they are not going to "look" to hard. Just like the 9/11 investigation. we still haven't found anything out about that.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 11:44 AM
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3. i wouldn't put too much confidence in these guys
Edited on Fri Nov-26-04 11:44 AM by Faye
i think if anything, they are agreeing to do this to appease the Congress members who asked for it and the citizens who are concerned. i'm telling you the only things we have that we can count on are recounts, the testimonies, and Bev Harris' work. The rest just helps the case look stronger.
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rosyhue Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 11:56 AM
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5. right
like they're just going to placate those who complained.
If you think about it, the long lines alone are reason enuf to scrap the election results. How can an election be fair when citizens - of both parties - had to turn away because they had a several hour long wait ahead of them??
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Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:09 PM
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11. It's like the fox guarding the hen house.
Another disappointed Carolina Democrat.I just knew Kerry was gonna take NC. :(
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 09:20 PM
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14. Results are expected no later than 2009.
Unless there are delays, of course.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 09:54 PM
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17. is there anyway to get them started on investigating it sooner?
Maybe Nader and the green party can put in a word or two?
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:23 PM
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21. It's interesting that on this AOL story, they didn't have a message board
I'm on AOL and on MOST ALL the stories......there are places people can post. This article DIDN'T HAVE A MESSAGE BOARD AT ALL!!

On quite a few AOL boards......people are valiently posting PRO KERRY stuff and posts about this 2004 stolen FRADULENT election.

Keep up the postings AOL Democrats!!!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 11:49 AM
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4. Sounds like BushInc was everywhere padding his popular vote numbers.
Subtract proKerry votes even in the bluest areas while adding proBush votes in red states.

I am in the camp that feels NC was stolen because they didn't think it would be noticed.
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rosyhue Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 11:58 AM
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6. I think NC was stolen too
it's a very strong hunch feeling I've had since the election.

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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:01 PM
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7. agree..I also felt that NC was stolen while I was watchng Election nite
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:02 PM
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8. I so agree
Even in New Hanover county--a pretty wealthy county--there were Kerry/Edwards signs everywhere! But * won. Our paper endorsed Kerry and to my knowledge our county is more Dem than Repub but there you have it.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 09:51 PM
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15. Hunches are good, ignatzmouse's analyses are better!
The upshot of ignatzmouse's excellent analysis is that the votes of the 1/3 of North Carolinians who voted early (the week before Nov 2) matches the exit polls conducted on November 2nd quite well -- only the vote reported for votes cast on election day are skewed weirdly toward Bush.

Unofficial Audit of NC Election: Comprehensive Case for Fraud
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=45003&mesg_id=45003

NC Unofficial Audit Part 2: Inside the Black Box
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=170x2730

Ignatzmouse for President in 2008! :kick:

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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 09:53 PM
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16. watching CBS that evening most if not all of the "too close to call"
states turned out to stink to high heaven. NC was the first in this category.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 11:27 PM
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18. I'll pitch my tent beside yours...
I'm so glad to see I'm not the only one who felt that way about NC, I was so excited about the calls I had made in the days before the election and (most) everyone telling me they had already voted or were going on election day. I'm in Cabarrus Co. and with Ignatzmous' info about the percentages being so off here and the cases I know of personally where people had problems voting, I've decided to get out and do something. I'm going to go everywhere and see if anyone had any problems before or on election day. I'm going to keep track of names and problems and send them to Mel Watts as soon as everyone gets back from T-giving. If you know anyone who lives in this area, could you ask them to do the same? So far, I've asked only one person if they had problems and she said yes, a friend was told he couldn't vote without ID. I'm going to focus on the African American community (I know from the calls I made, they were targeted in this area).
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:53 AM
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19. I'm in Mecklenburg.
The lines to vote here were enormous.

To give you an example of how popular Kerry/Edwards ticket was here in NC, we would go through as many yardsigns in 2-3 days as went out the entire campaign for Gore.

By the end of the campaign, we sold almost 20 times as many K/E yardsigns. statewide than in 2000.

And plenty of those went to angry Republicans who would said they would never vote for a Bush ever again.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 02:59 PM
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22. Another thing about NC...
In the days before the election I asked anyone I came into contact with who they were going to vote for. In one store I spoke with 4 women and they each said they were undecided but leaning strongly towards Kerry. What was funny was that they each said they were undecided but when I told them my main reason for voting for Kerry they came up with several reasons they didn't want to vote for GW. Things didn't add up to black tuesday 2's results.


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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:05 PM
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9. Statement of the Comptroller on Election-Related Matters
This may have been posted but I couldn't find it.

GAO: Statement of the Comptroller on Election-Related Matters

"While GAO has and will continue to do certain elections-related work, we are not authorized to engage in enforcement efforts relating to specific allegations of voting irregularities."

"...general questions concerning these issues, as well as specific allegations of voting irregularities, should be addressed to state and local officials, such as the Secretary of State or the State Attorney General."

"Congress has, however, asserted its prerogatives under the Elections Clause of the Constitution (Article 1, Section 4, Clause 1) to impose certain procedural requirements on federal elections through such federal statutes as the Help America Vote Act and the National Voter Registration Act, both of which are enforced by the Department of Justice."

http://www.gao.gov/electionresults.pdf

It looks to me like the GAO has limited powers over election fraud. I don't have any confidence that a GAO investigation will make any difference in the near term.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 08:17 PM
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13. Hi dzika!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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NJ_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:08 PM
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10. Why do they have to make that point...

...in every single article written...

"None of this will change the outcome"...

How do they know? If they are serious about investigating, how do you know what the results will be before you even started?

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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:19 PM
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12. Youngstown was just ONE place were Kerry votes went to Bush
...it also happened in Texas, New Mexico, and Florida too. And in Alabama, at least one person was handed a ballot with Bush and straight Republican ticket already marked off. And I've only just scratched the surface of the 35,000 reports that were called in. So don't give me that shit.

LOL. Not talking to you guys. I'm talking to the media that keeps downplaying the mountain of "anomalies and irregularities."

Here's the documentation: http://shadowbox.i8.com//machines.htm

Note the column "Kerry votes to Bush." These are backed up by articles where it's reported in little paragraphs, as if in passing. It's incredible. Oh, no big deal, it just kept happening, who knows how many times and in how many precincts.

:wtf:

And you want to talk voter suppression? Look at Alabama on this page: http://shadowbox.i8.com//suppression.htm

And I'm only on Alabama!

/rant
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:10 PM
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20. Thanks for the shadowbox link, Chili eom
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 04:02 PM
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23. Yaaaawwwwnnnnn......
Next!
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