Equal Protection Clause Applied Equally to All 50 States

[tinfoil_beret]

Per the discussion in the thread at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=77190&mesg_id=77190, I performed a *preliminary analysis of the proportion of the population served by vapor voting to the combined total of the population served by all voting methods, given by the thread at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x5446#5448.

Rounding up to the nearest whole number, this analysis disqualifies the following numbers of electoral votes for the following states:

Alabama, 2;
Arkansas, 1;
Colorado, 4;
Delaware, 3;
Florida, 16;
Georgia, 15;
Indiana, 9;
Iowa, 1;
Kansas, 3;
Kentucky, 7;
Louisiana, 5;
Maryland, 10;
Michigan, 5;
Mississippi, 1;
New Jersey, 12;
New Mexico, 5;
North Carolina, 7;
Ohio, 4;
Pennsylvania, 6;
South Carolina, 7;
Tennessee, 9;
Texas, 16;
Virginia, 5;
West Virgina, 1;
Wyoming, 1

As in my previous analysis based on county ratios, California voters in counties using DRE voting had the right to alternatively use paper ballots. Since this does not deny any voters the right to have their votes counted, California retains all of its 55 electoral votes for the purpose of this analysis. (Using the vapor-vote ratio method would disqualify 17 of California's electors. Therefore, disqualifying this portion of California's electors would not affect the outcome.)

This disqualification of electoral votes reduces the total of qualified electoral votes by 155 (as opposed to 109 in my previous analysis), leaving a total number of qualified electoral votes of 383. This number reduces the majority to 192 electoral votes.

Therefore, the presidential candidates receive the following qualified electoral votes:

Bush/Cheney... AL, 7; AK, 3; AZ, 10; AR, 5; CO, 5; FL, 11; ID, 4; IN, 2; IA, 6; KS, 3; KY, 1; LA, 4; MS, 5; MO, 3; MT, 3; NE, 5; NV, 5; NC, 8; ND, 3; OH, 16; OK, 7; SC, 1; SD, 3; TN, 2; TX, 18; UT, 5; VA, 8; WV, 4; WY, 2

Kerry/Edwards... CA, 55; CT, 7; DC, 3; HI, 4; IL, 21; ME, 4; MA, 12; MI, 12; MN, 10; NH, 4; NJ, 3; NY, 31; OR, 7; PA, 15; RI, 4; VT, 3; WA, 11; WI, 10

Thusly counted, the electoral college gives Bush/Cheney 167 electoral votes and gives Kerry/Edwards 216 electoral votes, giving Kerry/Edwards a majority and the Presidency of the United States.

*Due to some vagueness in the data of the aforementioned source listing the populations served by each voting method, I cannot guarantee the accuracy of this preliminary analysis. Notably, I added the population served by the method labeled as "E-Voting: Other" to the population served by the method labeled as "E-Voting: Touchscreen". I chose this method because the resulting numbers more closely aligned with the county data referenced in my previous analysis in specific cases. Though this analysis could have some inaccuracies as far as populations served by vapor-vote DRE machines, the results of this analysis are consistent with the results of my previous county analysis as far as outcome of the presidential election.

**Reports as noted in another thread here at DU claim that Nevada used unverifiable DRE machines to serve 70% of the population. Due to the large margin of victory resulting from this analysis I determined that Nevada's electoral votes would not affect the outcome in the slightest.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

1. This needs to be implemented. Lawyers should be called.

Baret, I have been following your thread on this matter since you first posted it. I think it is sound. with so many reports of paperless machines over voting or memory cards showing zero votes after ten days of voting, or requests for votes to be uploaded to the central tabulator before voting even started I think the argument can be made that paperless voting is irreparably flawed. the 14th amendment seems to be clear. the only way to remedy the situation is to either follow the law, or have the registered voters of the counties who were legally registered to vote on November 2 of 2004 called back to their polling places to vote for what in effect will be their first time in this election. ON PAPER BALLOTS!

this would give the republicans a choice. Either follow the law laid down in our constitution, or give people the right to have their votes counted.

Considering the fact that paperless machines can be, and have in the past been rigged (and their is conclusive proof of that) there is no way to be certain that your vote on one of these machines will be counted. Therefore the argument invoking the 14th amendment is sound.

Keep up the great work, Heck if Kerry refuses to help you We the American people can force this issue. This is not poker, and you can not fold rather then pony up.

[tinfoil_beret]

3. I just love it when people agree with me!

Hopefully, Mr. Boies has read or or will read the letter sent to him by bleever (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x77190#80700) and give this remedy serious consideration. Perhaps more people will suggest this solution to others in a position to do something about it.

Let's work toward any remedy that will resolve the issue swiftly, fairly and legally.

[AnIndependentTexan]

7. Congress would be another good group to send it to

[tinfoil_beret]

11. Yes!

Send it. Send it all. Send all of your real solutions to your legislators, local, state and federal! Send it to your mayor.

Send it to your family. Send it to your friends. Send it to your teachers. Send it to your neighborhood. Send it to your neighbors' neighborhoods. Send it to the media. Send it to anyone who will listen. Send it to anybody who won't. Send it to anybody, and send it to everybody. Just get the word out. The ship is going down and we need to start bailing the water and patching the holes.

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!...

[Wordie]

2. The way to force this issue into the courts, is to ask for HAND recounts

in any state where such a request is possible, imho. And then, because such a thing is NOT POSSIBLE, because there is no papertrail, it would have to go into the courts to be resolved. Most states' voting laws allow hand recounts, and even require them in some cases, as far as I know. That they cannot be done with evoting is a problem in the law that the courts would have to address. The courts cannot just ignore the problems as the msm has done to such a great extent. There are established rules about every vote counting, and if we could get these issues into the court, we would have a much better chance of getting Diebold, et al, kicked out of the process once and for all.

Who knows, if hand recounts were requested, the electoral count that you propose might just become reality. Unless of course, they vote again. And even then...

[tinfoil_beret]

4. We only need one.

The upcoming recount in Ohio will expose the fact that they have not given equal protection to all voters, effectively preventing a large number of people from voting. Since considering only Ohio would then give unequal protection to the voters of Ohio, the only available recourse, aside from holding additional elections in each state that has used these vapor-voting machines, is to disqualify the electors from these states as this proposal suggests.

Note that these disqualifications will also affect the number of electoral votes for Senator Kerry, giving both candidates equal protection under the law. That's equal protection for the people, equal protection for the incumbent and equal protection for the challenger. Equal protection all around!

[Wordie]

8. Do you think they will ever really do that though? I *personally* agree

wholeheartedly with you, but I've noticed that many don't think of things this way. That's why I keep hoping that someone, somewhere will force the issue of the hand recounts, It's IMPOSSIBLE to any sort of a meaningful recount at all with the e-voting machines (at least the ones that don't have papertrails). But by framing it as something to do with a hand recount it might more easily get into the courts. The issue of the HAND recounts has to do with equal protection also. The right to have the votes recounted by hand is codified, as I understand it, in the voting acts of most of the states. If its completely impossible to do hand recounts for some votes, yet it is possible for others, that isn't equal either.

I really like your idea, I'm just afraid that there will always be ways to make sure it doesn't happen. The system hasn't even been willing to seriously consider that there IS a problem, so expecting the system to disqualify electors on the basis of those problems...well, there will just be too much opposition to that, however valid your point is. So, what do you think of my hand recount suit idea? It would solve the problem that you identify, but wouldn't rely on anyone except the courts to do it. And I mean, this should be done BEFORE the electoral college votes. BEFORE the electors are certified. Because the longer we go without the problems being solved, the less likely they will be solved.

[tinfoil_beret]

10. The Glibs posted a bond of over $130,000 for the Ohio statewide recount

How much would it cost to recount all of the states on my list of states that should lose electors due to unequal protection of voters to have their votes counted equally, resulting from the inability to determine voter intent as a result of unaudited source code of the software and security?

We are fighting an uphill battle, no doubt about that, but I can't think of another way to an equitable resolution.

Honest hand recounts would be the ideal solution. However, if someone rigged this election–as I believe someone did–even a manual recount probably wouldn't reveal the true results. We must face this veritable certainty, and find a way around it. We need a loophole. The other side uses every loophole they can use against challenges. Let's fight fire with fire.

1. When Cobb and company come to the first precinct they find with vapor votes in Ohio, they need to demand to see the original ballots for the purpose of counting them.

2. When the election office fails to produce the original paper ballots because the vote tally only exists as a printout from a computer, to determine exactly how they counted the votes, they then need to demand to see the software; source code for the software that counted the votes; independent verification that the compiled source code matches the software inside each and every vapor-vote machine and the county tabulation computers; and the logs of the vapor-vote machines and tabulation computers that counted the votes.

3. Meanwhile they need to seek an injunction preventing the state from certifying the vote until the completion of the audit to determine exactly how the votes were counted. If the state argues compelling state interest, then seek an injunction preventing the state from sending a number of electors determined by the proportion of representation representing the population served by the vapor-vote machines, on the grounds that the inability to audit these things, when the state had the obligation to ensure the count of the vote under the Equal Protection Act of the 14th Amendment, citing Bush v. Gore (2000) (and probably under Ohio state law), prevents the party from conducting a true count of the votes and that the number of votes in question (ie. the number of voters served by the vote counting method statewide) could change the outcome of the election, further attaching Section Two of the Fourteenth Amendment and Section One of Article Two of the U.S. Constitution.

4. Inspection of the running tabulation software will most likely reveal several vulnerabilities which call into question the official tally. Furthermore, we know that the election office cannot provide the software source code or verification that the compiled source code matches the software inside either the vapor-vote machines or the tabulation computers, because nobody bothered to demand that during certification of the election equipment. Then seek injunctions on the grounds detailed in paragraph 3.

5. Of course, the courts have already denied suits seeking to audit the source code, because judges agreed with the company's argument claiming trade secrets, ie. proprietorship. The courts would never allow it. As such, file for a retroactive injunction preventing the state from certifying the results and sending electors as determined in paragraph 3, under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, citing Bush v. Gore (2000), and attaching Section One of Article Two of the U.S. Constitution.

6. If the court did bend, they'd have grounds for a retroactive injunction preventing the state from certifying the results, until the completion of a thorough audit of the software, which would effectively deny electors from voting until the completion of a thorough audit, under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, citing Bush v. Gore (2000). If the state argues compelling interest, then file for an injunction as in paragraph 3.

7. An audit of the software would likely reveal many errors and security flaws, which would allow them to argue that they could not determine a true count of the votes, thereby demanding a retroactive injunction preventing the state from sending a number of electors determined by the proportion of representation representing the population served by the vapor-vote machines, on the prima facie evidence that the state denied the rights of that portion to vote and to have their votes counted equally, under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment and Section Two of the 14th Amendment in conjunction with Section One of Article Two of the United States Constitution.

8. Any and every success in the courts preventing Ohio from certifying its results or from sending electors to vote sets precedence for retroactive injunctions from a federal court of all states with vapor votes on the same grounds.

9. Note: In any of the states in question, the number of vapor votes has the potential to change the outcome of the election in the state. (Note to self: verify)

10. Of course, we could throw provisions outlined in HAVA and other state and federal laws and provisions into the above arguments.

11. I'm sure I left out some things, but the lawyers can figure that out.

12. Let the Senate count the votes, forcing Bush to take a hike.

13. Indict and prosecute Bush and company for high crimes and misdemeanors. (We have a long list going back to at least 2000 and possibly earlier.)

14. I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on t.v.

Democracy wins. Justice prevails.

Of course, to accomplish this, we'll need approximately 14,000 lawyers and 53 million dollars. ;)

[Wordie]

12. Kicking this as hard as I possibly can....

YES!!! The whole idea is that when a hand recount is asked for, but they CAN'T do it, that throws the whole thing into the courts, where it is much more likely to get a honest airing. And where it's much more likely that the goal can be achieved.

And it really doesn't need to be done in ALL the states, does it? Because if it moves up through the court system, doesn't it eventually become a precedent? So, that once the decision is made, it would apply to ALL the states that used this goofy kind of machine? (As you can tell, my legal knowledge is somewhat limited. Nonetheless, the legal goal should be to take it to the point where it does become a precedent, and thusly, achieves the result of ELIMINATING non-papertrail machines!)

And if it just so happens that they have to throw out votes done in this manner, and if that just so happened to favor a Kerry upset at the last minutem well, I wouldn't complain, would you? (Not really likely, at this point, I realize, but the dream of it is nice.)

[KoKo]

68. That's a great scenario! A good read....thanks for taking it step by

step. I hope that this is what they are thinking. The "Glibs." And, if Kerry truly had the 17,000 lawyers they've said, then there is work being done on this proving your scenario.

6. If the court did bend, they'd have grounds for a retroactive injunction preventing the state from certifying the results, until the completion of a thorough audit of the software, which would effectively deny electors from voting until the completion of a thorough audit, under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, citing Bush v. Gore (2000). If the state argues compelling interest, then file for an injunction as in paragraph 3.

7. An audit of the software would likely reveal many errors and security flaws, which would allow them to argue that they could not determine a true count of the votes, thereby demanding a retroactive injunction preventing the state from sending a number of electors determined by the proportion of representation representing the population served by the vapor-vote machines, on the prima facie evidence that the state denied the rights of that portion to vote and to have their votes counted equally, under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment and Section Two of the 14th Amendment in conjunction with Section One of Article Two of the United States Constitution.

[geo]

5. FIXED LINK...

The first link mentioned doesn't go through. but I'm fairly sure it's to this thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x79652

It goes more into the analysis side, but gives a little more background as to why we are looking at the electoral votes.

Have fun and let's keep the ideas flowing!

Warmly,

George

[tinfoil_beret]

6. Oops!

Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Actually, the thread I meant to reference was http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=77190&mesg_id=77190

The period at the end of my sentence caused the failure. Damn punctionation! :crazy:

[Cowboy Joe2k]

9. Kick

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[Cowboy Joe2k]

14. this could be exactly what we need to get the paperless machine

over vote thrown right out. The right-wing conservatives know it. that is why they are trying so hard to bury this this subject under meaningless stories designed to keep you chasing your tail.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

15. Paperless machines can not be re-counted Hence violating

the 14th amendment. if some voters can have their vote recounted, but others can not, they have no equal protection. especially when you consider how easily these machines can be tampered with as Bev of www.blackboxvoting.org has discovered. in essence the machines that have no paper trails and no voter verifiable way of preforming a recount mean that the people who used those machines do not have equal protection which is a violation of the 14th amendment.

Baret, this topic is getting so spread out, that it is getting hard to understand. we need to put it all together. (Hard to do I know) More power to you and George for all the research you are doing on it.

Thanks a bunch on behalf of my self and the world.

P.S. I'm so tired, I must go to sleep. Please keep up the fight, and keep this topic kicked. I belive we have them on the ropes with this.

(edited to add P.S.)

[tinfoil_beret]

16. Wow!

You must be quite powerful to speak on behalf of the world! ;)

I appreciate the thought. Thank you.

I have tried to keep it fairly organized. I started this separate thread because the other grew to an unmanageable length and because this analysis had more concrete numbers. We only have two threads concerning this immediate issue. Geo has also done a lot of great work on a separate thread, and we might need to use his interpretation of application of the Equal Protection Clause, ie. polling machine misappropriation on the basis of discrimination to even get this heard in court.

The immediately relevant threads include, but are not limited to the following:

The thread you are reading - contains an analysis of disqualification of electoral representation by state. I have a preliminary spreadsheet in which I calculated by state the percentage of the population served by paperless DRE machines, which for the purpose of this discussion I have coined as vapor votes. In this thread, we also reveal a compelling strategy for taking the case to the courts due to the inability to manually count vapor votes, on the grounds that the lack of original ballots for manual recounts violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, vis-a-vis Bush v. Gore (2000).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x77190 - started this discussion with a similar analysis, using the portion of counties in each state as the basis for disqualification of representation. I admitted at the start that the lack of quantification of individual voters affected was a major flaw in the analysis, but I just wanted to know how it might affect the outcome of the election. This thread initiated a lengthy and lively discussion of the issue. As the thread progressed, bleever decided to send a brief yet well-written letter summarizing the issue to one of Kerry's lawyers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x81249 - Geo's thread contains a lengthy and lively discussion involving application of the Equal Protection Clause on the basis of polling-machine misappropriation and how it violated the rights of more than one class of citizens, for whom the discrimination included racial, geographic and political profiling. These grounds for showing violations of the Equal Protection Clause might provide extra ammunition for a broader suit to disqualify electors based on the nature of vapor votes. Whereas using these grounds does address numerous diabolical violations of the Equal Protection Clause, the broader suit based on vapor votes might have much greater reach and easier application, equally to all states.

We must decide where and how to disseminate this strategy for the greatest impact.

From what I have seen here at DU, Keith Olbermann has been instrumental in voicing concerns over election issues as virtually our only mainstream television media support.

The Green and Libertarian presidential candidates who filed for the upcoming statewide recount of Ohio votes MUST review and consider this strategy if they want to do some good, unless they already have a better and more certain approach, of which I am not aware.

Lawyers in the right places must see and consider this strategy and possibly enhance it or identify flaws in it.

Kerry and his teams of lawyers must see, analyze and consider this strategy, unless they have a far better and more certain approach.

Perhaps our representatives in Congress should see this, if for no other reason, to remind them of the law.

Jackson? Sharpton? Other activists? If this strategy for taking back our nation offers hope, perhaps it will motivate them to organize and take a stand with their ability to organize, protest and influence people in positive ways.

We could use all the support we can find. Does anybody have a better plan? Does anyone have a more far-reaching, swifter or more certain resolution? We're listening.

[Wordie]

17. I am SO happy to see all the work you have done on this! Thank you!!!!

[Cowboy Joe2k]

22. your right, I can't speak on behalf of the world, I am only a resident

of said world, but I believe that much of the world agrees with me and that is why I said that. I apologies to any Humans that actually voted for Bush. I meant no disrespect. to all the Non-Humans that voted for Bush STFU.

Baret, I think you are doing an excellent job and I wish I could be of more assistance. I realize that all of this information is a lot to take in especially for a newbie. It is not my intent to "Dumb down" your work at all. only suggesting that some how, it all needs to be tied together. I understand that it may be difficult. Again thank you for all of the diligence. I hope to have the opportunity to contribute more useful ideas to the goal of saving Democracy.

[tinfoil_beret]

18. Another Argument for Auditing the Source Code

National Security. They'll shut down Warren County Courthouse to cook the vote, but not auditing the source code leaves the entire electoral process open to manipulation by nefarious elements. Who's making a killing off of Bush policy? I'll bet a few parties just love what he's doing in the Middle East. Take a few guesses.

Here we are worrying what Rove and Company may have done to cook it...

The vapor must go!

[Cowboy Joe2k]

29. The shut the press out so they could watch the numbers come

And play with them if necessary.

"I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president." - Walden O'Dell, Diebold's CEO in a fundraising letter to Republicans, Fall 2003. O'Dell and other Diebold Senior Executives are Republican "Pioneers", which is the designation you get when you raise over $100,000. Brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich co-founded ES&S, another voting machine company, before Bob became President of Diebold Election Systems. His brother Todd is a Vice President of ES&S, the #2 vote machine maker, and is also a "Pioneer". According to campaign finance records at OpenSecrets.org, of the over $240,000 given by Diebold’s directors and chief officers to political campaigns since 1998, all has gone to Republican candidates or party funds. Is that partisan enough for you? Well, what about calling them unethical?

http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm

The People with the paper ballots had the most rights as Voters. they could have their votes recounted if necessary. The voters that have the least rights were the ones that used the paperless ballots. the Diebold Employees or the "Super Voters" as I will call them from now on.

There is you class split.

Under the 14th amendment each states electorate must be proportionately reduced by the number of the "Disenfranchised"

The second option would be to call the registered voters who used the paperless machines back to the poles to vote for what would be their first time. ON PAPER BALLOTS.

All people Black and white Should stand up and restore Democracy. No matter who wins, we must restore democracy! Bush should be behind my second solution it would put an end to the dispute. and if there was no tampering, he will win, but you can not unify the country otherwise.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

50. A Kick for our right to Vote!

Do not let them take that away from you no matter how hard they try.

Kick this as if your children depended on it because they do. You Know it I Know it. and once enough people know the truth we will take our country back.

We the people of the United States Take back our right to vote!

We want a National Holiday called Voting Day and We Want Our 14th Amendment rights.

[Straight Shooter]

19. America is a "prove it by paper" country.

We need a short and sweet letter format to send to the media, to newspapers especially, to our Congress critters and friends and family, something which leaves out the analytical info (which can make some people's eyes glaze over) and get down to the nuts and bolts of this issue in a way that they can see how it affects or will affect them personally.

What really caught my eye is the idea that if there is no proof of your vote, you simply are not protected. That is very key to this issue. I also think the term "vapor ballot" is excellent. Your vote has as much permanence as a smoke signal.

What I try to do with people who do not see the problem with vapor ballots is ask them if they would like to make a purchase at a store and they're not given a receipt; how can they return a defective product to that store? What proof do they have?

America is a "prove it by paper" country. That's all there is to it. It is a basic tenet of a contract dispute case that if it isn't on paper, it didn't happen. Vapor ballots are like handshake agreements; they don't hold up in a court of law.

[tinfoil_beret]

20. Overload

The people don't want to know, but they can never have enough of what they don't want. I'll tell you why.

I brought it up to S. again last night. Does she believe that Bush won? She told me she didn't believe that he won the first time. That didn't answer the question. I rephrased the question. Does she believe that the majority actually voted for him? She avoided the question again. I asked her a third time. Did she believe that they stole the election? "Who is they?" she asked, as if I had implied that fuzzy green and purple aliens landed, disguised themselves among us and rigged the election. "The Republicans?" But she still didn't answer the question.

I started interrogating her, asking why people wouldn't talk about it, why the media would hypocritically blast us with the faults of an election around the world and not bother to scream about the scary pink elephant in the room.

She went off on a tangent about how the local news had sandbagged her employer by setting up a fake "open forum" to talk about the company's services. When the company showed up with thirty happy consumers who wanted to praise the company, they learned that the news station had thirty of their own shills who only wanted to spit venom about the company with dirty rotten lies. The news agency didn't let the thirty happy consumers into the "open forum", and they chopped up their story into five-second sound bites condemning the evils of the company, which they blasted on their evening news.

I hear the teasers during the commercial breaks. "You want to help others by donating your body to science when you die, but wait 'til you hear what can happen..."

Who cares?!? You're dead! So what?!?

"Fear this... Beware... Fear that... Mr. Rottencrotch grabbed a school girl... Her psycho mom threw her out of a moving car because she was wigging on ecstasy and thought her daughter was a giant snow cone... Police try to clean up a ten-car pileup that happened when a women was distracted because she tried to drive while simultaneously talking on her cellphone, smoking a joint and playing with her crotch... Watch out for the bogey man... The world reels after Miss Trollop flashes her mammary gland during halftime! Oh no! Cover your eyes! Whereas the Europeans, nudists, porn stars and your mother and your father survived, if we even catch a glimpse of naked flesh we'll go blind and then we'll die! No!!!!! Mr. Perverthistoryteacher was busted giving oral sex to the principal while fondling a freshman... Mr. Sofiveyearsagocomedianslashactorslashpoliticianslashtransvestite died last night in his home from a dog bite. Let's mourn."

It's about sensationalism. It's about emotional manipulation when the audience is so over-stimulated that they couldn't give a pregnant pimple, just want to get laid, get off, roll over and go to sleep. It's about hearing bad news after bad new and not really caring because they can shut it off on the other side of the globe, drink some booze, pop some pills, snort some coke, scream at the kids, wash the dishes, pay the bills, go to sleep, wake up, go to work, come home and do it all over again.

"So what's not sensational about a national scandal bigger than Watergate?"

Nobody has time for it. They can't get involved. The don't have the emotional capital to spend. And on top of the list, they can't accept it. Excuses. Excuses. Excuses. Ad infinitum, ipso facto vice versa, ad hominem prima facie habeas corpus vis-a-vis quid pro quo.

Do we need somebody to write letters? I can write letters. I can write. In fact, I can write a hell of a lot better than Mr. SensationalisticIhavethesmokinggunbutImreallyfoolingyou BecauseImasickbastard who has distracted everybody, lured them into a wild goose chase and racked up over four hundred posts in a neighboring thread.

Short and sweet? I can do that. But do we truly want to gloss over all of the details? People don't want to think. That's half of the reason the media doesn't do real stories. (Of course, Connie Chung let us know about the second half before they canned her.) They don't want to think. (With the exception of Ken Olbermann. You have to admit. His tinfoil-hat roast and complete demolishment of Mr. Deepthroatwannabe took the prize. I give it a snap and a twirl for funny and intelligent.) Sorry, America, it looks like I'm it. Duck. Duck. Duck. Duck. Duck. Duck. Duck...

We have enough catch phrases, slogans, buttons, flyers and composites. We need action, and for that we need someone with the power of Grayskull who will follow through. Unfortunately, Bill Clinton's in the Bronx poking his secretary, and John Hinkley shot Lennon, who really wouldn't have done much more than jump in a bag and stay in bed for a week. So who else can we prod with a hot stick to go to work, bring home the bacon and do what needs doing? And what message do we send this person?

Well, while you all think about how to take over the world, I need about eight hours of unconsciousness.

By the way, S. still didn't admit to me that she knows they stole the White House... again.

[Wordie]

21. Kick kick kick

[Cowboy Joe2k]

23. They are fighting hard to hide this Idea.

Bury it under a load of crap that will keep people chasing their tails.

If Kerry's Lawyers do not take up this idea then they are letting the constitution be violated.

Equal Protection is for every one. There is no "Separate but Equal". The Class devision is as follows: the people who could have their votes recounted, vs. the people who could not have their votes recounted. that is the violation of Equal rights.

I am so Sick of people playing the Race Card. Doing so only Perpetuates a Racist Society. This is Bigger then the Disenfranchisement of a Minority Race. This is Disenfranchisement of every Human who used a Paperless Machine. I suspect that that group is a lot bigger then any Minority alone.

[tinfoil_beret]

33. It seems so.

It amazes me how quickly this thread has dropped to the bottom and off of the front page.

[Straight Shooter]

25. I guess we'll have to make it as exciting as illicit sex

But how do we do that? How do we introduce the facts, one at a time, and with unerring accuracy, to keep the people informed and entertained?

That's what they want, entertainment. But this tainted election is so serious, the enormity that their government might actually lie to them, many people can't wrap their minds around it.

So we start simple, the votes that mean as much as smoke signals. "Did you evote? It's a smoke signal. It was there, then it was gone. What if it was misread? Would you sign a digital contract without receiving a printout of the contract?"

We don't need to convince people who voted for Kerry. Deep down, they know something stinks. It's the collective unconscious which understands the momentum of a time in history, which somehow knows the truth when it appears and recognizes a falsehood when it takes over.

The bushies, forget them, they'll never get it. They don't recognize the truth. Hell, they don't even know what Jesus stood for. What do they care if bush used illegal methods.

I have trouble keeping up with the analysis, and maybe that's because there's so much going on at once, new numbers being released, new conclusions drawn. And I like numbers and statistics. Pity those whose eyes glaze over when you begin discussing numbers. That's one of the ironic criticisms of John Kerry, that he actually dared to cite statistics to back up his ideas and proposed policies.

bush gains from a wilfully uninformed public. Now, how do we take advantage of that ignorance without being condescending? It beats the hell out of me. I can't stand wilfull ignorance.

I hope you get your ZZZZZs and come back roaring, tinfoil :)

[NVMojo]

24. Too bad you don't think Nevadans, especially minorities and the poor,

deserved a better outcome in Las Vegas then they got. I happen to think every population that can't prove their votes due to paperless DRE's deserved better then they got.

But other than that, good work on the rest of this. Superb, in fact and a BIG KICK!

:kick:

[tinfoil_beret]

32. Whoa, there.

I do think that the same should apply equally to all. I just didn't have enough data in front of me for my analysis. Since it only had a minor impact on the outcome of the analysis, I chose to put off jumping to conclusions.

In fact, based on the assertion that these machine served 70% of the population, I did disqualify 4 of 5 Nevada electors. (I also decided to disqualify 17 from California to avoid splitting hairs.)

[Cowboy Joe2k]

26. The devision between the classes should be simple:

those that voted using paper ballots have the opportunity to have their votes re counted. even by hand if necessary. those that used paperless machines can not have their votes re counted. that is the violation. Separate is not equal. one group of people clearly had more rights then the other. The facts that Bev at www.blackboxvoting.org is un-covering such as the venerability of the central tabulators, and memory cards that reported 0 votes after a week of voting. How do you re-count a electronic card that can be wiped clean??? You can't.

If you can recount some votes, but not others, then there is no equal rights.

[Liberty Belle]

27. kick!

[Cowboy Joe2k]

28. All Humans we must band together to defeat the "Super Voters"

"I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president." - Walden O'Dell, Diebold's CEO in a fundraising letter to Republicans, Fall 2003. O'Dell and other Diebold Senior Executives are Republican "Pioneers", which is the designation you get when you raise over $100,000. Brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich co-founded ES&S, another voting machine company, before Bob became President of Diebold Election Systems. His brother Todd is a Vice President of ES&S, the #2 vote machine maker, and is also a "Pioneer". According to campaign finance records at OpenSecrets.org, of the over $240,000 given by Diebold’s directors and chief officers to political campaigns since 1998, all has gone to Republican candidates or party funds. Is that partisan enough for you? Well, what about calling them unethical?

http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm

The People with the paper ballots had the most rights as Voters. they could have their votes recounted if necessary. The voters that have the least rights were the ones that used the paperless ballots. the Diebold Employees or the "Super Voters" as I will call them from now on.

There is you class split.

Under the 14th amendment each states electorate must be proportionately reduced by the number of the "Disenfranchised"

The second option would be to call the registered voters who used the paperless machines back to the poles to vote for what would be their first time. ON PAPER BALLOTS.

All people Black and white Should stand up and restore Democracy. No matter who wins, we must restore democracy! Bush should be behind my second solution it would put an end to the dispute. and if there was no tampering, he will win, but you can not unify the country otherwise.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

30. This should be turned into a Class action Law Suit.

The American People VS. the DieBold cooperation.

And For our countrys Sake and the sake of Our Democracy We need to fix this and we need to fix it now.

[tinfoil_beret]

34. First things first.

First we need to avoid a national crisis wherein the policies of individual states undermined the People's choice of electors. The class action suits can wait, for the time being.

[tinfoil_beret]

31. Do you know how your vote counted? (rough draft)

Dear Congressman,

You hold the balance of power in your hands. With the United States in a constitutional crisis, You must use that power wisely and take action to save our Nation. Otherwise your actions could result in its destruction.

The unofficial counts for the 2004 Presidential Election do not accurately reflect the Will of The People, and this election denied the right of The People to have their votes counted equally, as required by Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution(1). As agents of the States, the election offices of more than 26 states systematically prevented true counts of their voters' intentions, through suppression, intimidation, surreptitious nullification of ballots, misdirection, mismanagement of polling equipment and other policies and tactics. As such these individual States have effectively denied a great number of persons the right to vote, and The Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution defines an exact remedy for this specific abuse of power under Section 2(2). To avoid a national crisis, wherein the policies of individual States have undermined The People's choice for electors, the basis of representation entitled to the individual States must apply to the Number of Electors as defined in Section 1 of Article 2 of the United States Constitution(3).

At present, we can accurately quantify exactly one factor of the many factors for which evidence will surely come to bear which have denied this large number of people the right to have their votes counted equally and which effectively denied these individuals the right to vote in the individual States. This issue concerns electronically cast ballots without permanent records (in violation of HAVA 2002). The States did not adequately certify this equipment to guarantee their accuracy or conformance to the federal HAVA Act of 2002. Numerous documented cases of disappearing votes, fabricated votes and improperly recorded votes cast using these electronic polling machines demonstrate that the States which implemented this class of electronic polling machines, in opposition to strong objections by The People, cannot accurately certify these votes.

The original counts reported by these machines remain suspect. Furthermore, due to the nature of these machines and the votes cast using these machines, any contest to audit the votes via a recount would be futile, because the votes counted by these machines cannot be authenticated by any means. As a result, votes cast using these machines cannot be given the same status as votes cast using other polling equipment, and no reasonable standard can be applied for the purposes of counting these votes. The lack of any acceptable standard for counting or recounting these votes makes including these votes in any certified election results unconstitutional, as it does not comply with requirements of equal protection and due process (Bush v. Gore, 2000). Allowing these votes would not apply equal protection to individual persons.

For reasons outlined above, any selection of electors resulting from certification of results of a presidential election held in a State with votes cast using this class of machines would demand application of the remedy defined by Section Two of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and ipso facto redetermining the number of electors to which the State is entitled as given in Section One of Article Two of the United States Constitution.

A prelimary analysis of the proportions of the populations served by unauditable electronic voting machines to the populations served by all voting methods shows the disqualification of the following numbers of electors for the following states:

Alabama, 2; Arkansas, 1; California, 17; Colorado, 4; Delaware, 3; Florida, 16; Georgia, 15; Indiana, 9; Iowa, 1; Kansas, 3; Kentucky, 7; Louisiana, 5; Maryland, 10; Michigan, 5; Mississippi, 1; New Jersey, 12; New Mexico, 5; Nevada, 4; North Carolina, 7; Ohio, 4; Pennsylvania, 6; South Carolina, 7; Tennessee, 9; Texas, 16; Virginia, 5; West Virgina, 1; Wyoming, 1.

These disqualifications entitle the following States to the following remaining numbers of electors:

Alabama, 7; Arkansas, 5; California, 38; Colorado, 5; Delaware, 0; Florida, 11; Georgia, 0; Indiana, 2; Iowa, 6; Kansas, 3; Kentucky, 1; Louisiana, 5; Maryland, 4; Michigan, 12; Mississippi, 5; New Jersey, 3; New Mexico, 0; Nevada, 1; North Carolina, 8; Ohio, 16; Pennsylvania, 15; South Carolina, 1; Tennessee, 2; Texas, 18; Virginia, 8; West Virgina, 4; Wyoming, 2.

Before the Senate opens the votes for the 2004 presidential election, call for a resolution to disqualify these electors. Because the Constitution does not entitle an individual State to more electors than its eligible representation, this should change the majority necessary for the resolution of the election and avoid forcing it to go to a vote in the House of Representatives (as defined in Section 1 of Article Two.(4))

When you ask yourself how your constituents actually voted, consider very carefully what you accept as evidence for the Will of the People.

I thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,
X

Footnotes

1 "No State stall... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."―U.S. Constitution: Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1.

2 "When the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President... is denied to any of the inhabitants of such State... the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such citizens shall bear to the whole number of citizens twenty-one years of age in such State"―U.S. Constitution: Fourteenth Amendment, Section 2.

3 " Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress"―U.S. Constitution: Article 2, Section 1.

4 , regarding individual challenges to electoral votes.

[Wiley50]

35. Incredibly Huge Hulking Kick!

Baret,
I do believe you have the problem well defined and the solution well in hand.
Now just get it to all of the appropriate parties immediately, as in yesterday.
You are now on this newbies short list of DU heros!

Wiley

[tinfoil_beret]

40. Do you know how your voted? (modified)

Subject: Consider carefully what you accept as Evidence for the Will of the People

Dear Congressman,

You hold the balance of power in your hands. With the United States in a constitutional crisis, You must use that power wisely and take action to save our Nation. Otherwise your actions could result in its destruction.

The unofficial counts for the 2004 Presidential Election do not accurately reflect the Will of The People, and this election denied the right of The People to have their votes counted equally, as required by Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution(1). As agents of the States, the election offices of more than 26 states systematically prevented true counts of their voters' intentions, through suppression, intimidation, surreptitious nullification of ballots, misdirection, mismanagement of polling equipment and other policies and tactics. As such these individual States have effectively denied a great number of persons the right to vote, and The Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution defines an exact remedy for this specific abuse of power under Section 2(2). To avoid a national crisis, wherein the policies of individual States have undermined The People's choice for electors, the basis of representation entitled to the individual States must apply to the Number of Electors as defined in Section 1 of Article 2 of the United States Constitution(3).

At present, we can accurately quantify exactly one factor of the many factors for which evidence will surely come to bear which have denied this large number of people the right to have their votes counted equally and which effectively denied these individuals the right to vote in the individual States. This issue concerns electronically cast ballots without permanent records (in violation of HAVA 2002). The States did not adequately certify this equipment to guarantee their accuracy or conformance to the federal HAVA Act of 2002. Numerous documented cases of disappearing votes, fabricated votes and improperly recorded votes cast using these electronic polling machines demonstrate that the States which implemented this class of electronic polling machines, in opposition to strong objections by The People, cannot accurately certify these votes.

The original counts reported by these machines remain suspect. Furthermore, due to the nature of these machines and the votes cast using these machines, any contest to audit the votes via a recount would be futile, because the votes counted by these machines cannot be authenticated by any means. As a result, votes cast using these machines cannot be given the same status as votes cast using other polling equipment, and no reasonable standard can be applied for the purposes of counting these votes. The lack of any acceptable standard for counting or recounting these votes makes including these votes in any certified election results unconstitutional, as it does not comply with requirements of equal protection and due process (Bush v. Gore, 2000). Allowing these votes would not apply equal protection to individual persons.

For reasons outlined above, any selection of electors resulting from certification of results of a presidential election held in a State with votes cast using this class of machines would demand application of the remedy defined by Section Two of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and ipso facto redetermining the number of electors to which the State is entitled as given in Section One of Article Two of the United States Constitution.

A preliminary analysis of the proportions of the populations served by unauditable electronic voting machines to the populations served by all voting methods shows the disqualification of the following numbers of electors for the following states:

Alabama, 2; Arkansas, 1; California, 17; Colorado, 4; Delaware, 3; Florida, 16; Georgia, 15; Indiana, 9; Iowa, 1; Kansas, 3; Kentucky, 7; Louisiana, 5; Maryland, 10; Michigan, 5; Mississippi, 1; New Jersey, 12; New Mexico, 5; Nevada, 4; North Carolina, 7; Ohio, 4; Pennsylvania, 6; South Carolina, 7; Tennessee, 9; Texas, 16; Virginia, 5; West Virgina, 1; Wyoming, 1.

These disqualifications entitle the following States to the following remaining numbers of electors:

Alabama, 7; Arkansas, 5; California, 38; Colorado, 5; Delaware, 0; Florida, 11; Georgia, 0; Indiana, 2; Iowa, 6; Kansas, 3; Kentucky, 1; Louisiana, 5; Maryland, 4; Michigan, 12; Mississippi, 5; New Jersey, 3; New Mexico, 0; Nevada, 1; North Carolina, 8; Ohio, 16; Pennsylvania, 15; South Carolina, 1; Tennessee, 2; Texas, 18; Virginia, 8; West Virgina, 4; Wyoming, 2.

Before the Senate opens the votes for the 2004 presidential election, call for a resolution to disqualify these electors. Because the Constitution does not entitle an individual State to more electors than its eligible representation, this would change the majority necessary for the resolution of the election and avoid forcing it to a vote in the House of Representatives (as defined in Section 1 of Article Two.(4))

When you ask yourself how your constituents actually voted, consider very carefully what you accept as evidence for the Will of the People.

I thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,
X

Footnotes

1 "No State stall... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."―U.S. Constitution: Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1.

2 "When the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President... is denied to any of the inhabitants of such State... the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such citizens shall bear to the whole number of citizens twenty-one years of age in such State"―U.S. Constitution: Fourteenth Amendment, Section 2.

3 " Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress"―U.S. Constitution: Article 2, Section 1.

4 , regarding individual challenges to electoral votes.

[tinfoil_beret]

41. Note on modifications.

In the draft of the letter to Congress, I made a few modifications including a typo in paragraph 6 and a slight change to the wording to paragraph 8.

[tinfoil_beret]

42. HELP!

I just tried to send this to all Democratic senators, but I had problems with the email addresses on the list I found.

Some senators require you to use their web email forms. I can't possibly cover them all. I did send this letter to Senator Hillary Clinton (NY) and Senator John Kerry (MA) via their web email. I also sent emails to Democratic senators from Alabama through New York before I realized that most of them wouldn't go through. I also sent them to both senators from my home state of Arizona, but I haven't confirmed their delivery.

Please help! Send this to your senators and House representatives!

[tinfoil_beret]

45. Correction

None of the emails I sent to members of Congress actually arrived. They all require you to use their web forms on their respective web sites.

Do your part. Go to the web pages of your representatives in both Houses, and tell them to carefully consider which evidence they accept for the Will of the People.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

46. Then we Must Print this letter out and mail it to our local towns

People. We must Male it to Our House of Representatives. We must Mail it to our Senators, and we must Mail it to our White house. Every American Must Stand up and say "No Sir" We must take our country back. We must have Open Audited Voter Verifiable Elections. With out this there is no democracy.

[tinfoil_beret]

47. Clarification

The web forms should work. I meant that they no longer use email addresses I found on the web site with the Senate blaster mentioned on a thread here. I received failure notifications for some, and others sent me automatic replies telling me that they no longer read the mail sent to the old email addresses and required any electronic correspondence to be sent through their web forms.

Of course, snail mail is good, too. Just consider the delay. Also, you might even want to send your letters to Congress via registered mail.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

36. Kick this. Don't let Democracy be Gaged!

by all the meaningless B.S. designed to keep us chasing our tails.

Breath Life back into Democracy. Bring back our Constitution. Don't let Bush wipe his ass with it.

Take back our Country, if not for this election, for the next one. Wouldn't you like to be the one who decides between Hillary and Arnold? why should Die Bold "Super Voters" have more say then you.

Fix the election process with Audits, and Voter Verifiable paper trails. Do it for our Children!!

They Tell us "Why did not you fix it before the election?" We thought before the election that the Cameras would be aloud to watch the counting as they were in years past. But no, They locked the American People out. Don't let them do it again next time or Democracy is dead all ready.

Don't let them Do it this time. To those that say "You lost, Get over it." We should say: "If I lost because you Cheated, I am well with in my rights to point out the rules of the game!!!"

Take democracy back. Please for the children.

Kerry if you don't lead us as President then Lead us as Senator, and Fix the Voting system So that we may have faith in it. We need Audit-able, Re-countable, Voter-Verifiable paper trails! We nee random audits, and if discrepancies are found, we need investigation of said discrepancies. We need to fined the people responsible for silencing our Population and there need to be real Consequences.

Bush won??? Prove it! oh, thats right, you can't! With out audits we will never no.

A kick for our children.

[Wiley50]

37. For the Kids and crazies

KICK

[BlueDog2u]

38. Kick!

[Cowboy Joe2k]

39. Kick n/t

[Cowboy Joe2k]

43. Kick

[Cowboy Joe2k]

44. Kick for Democracy and for our children!!!!

Reform the Election Process. everything else is meaning less with out the right to vote.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

48. A Kick for our Right to vote.

A Kick to ex-cape this Orwellian night mare. where no matter what you say it does not really Matter, because some one else is pulling the strings of this massive contraption that we the people have no control over.

Give us our Rights Back! Give them to us Now!

[Cowboy Joe2k]

49. Is any one going to join us? can we Manage to Fix it by 06?

Or are we Helpless now as the human race? Can we get the Machines fixed and restore Democracy? Is it to late???

[Cowboy Joe2k]

51. Kick This Take to the streets. Demand your right to Vote

For a protest in you area Click this:

http://blog.democrats.com/node/901

We must not Stop, We Must get this fixed by 06 or all is lost.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

52. A Kick for our right to Vote!!!!

A Kick For Our Right to Vote!

[Cowboy Joe2k]

53. Kick this as if your Life Depends on it.

[tinfoil_beret]

54. See! It's working just as I planned.

Now that Cobb and Company have expressed intent for recounts in New Mexico and Nevada, as soon as they come to votes that they cannot possibly count in three states, they now have evidence that in three states they can't count the votes from these vapor machines, and "Sorry, Mr. President. It's all over. It's time to pack your bags." :headbang:

[Cowboy Joe2k]

55. Kick This.

If you want your Freedom from Oppression. Kick this if you love your neighbor, your brother your son your daughter. Be they Muslin, Jew, Cristian, or Hindu. Kick this if you want a world governed by the Human Soul.

Don't put your money in the red Kettles, Why should OUR COMMUNITIES get $0.80 on the Dolor?? Give your Money to the Homeless shelters in your community. Feed your Homeless Citizens. Support your Local Leaders, and demand that they do what is right.

Support the Mom and Pop's in your Community this is our only chance to awaken this great sleeping giant that is the HUMAN SOUL!

Don't buy Big Expensive Presents this Season instead, make Home made Gifts for each other, because we all know that those are the ones that count!!!!!!!

Nothing else will ever do. With out the Right to Vote, Everything else is meaningless!!!

They are are trying hard to bury this information under useless garbage designed to confuse you, But this is what matters. This is what you must Kick when ever you do not see it on the front page.

They Stole your Rights, and they Don't want to give them back to you!

[Cowboy Joe2k]

56. Kick this Because this is the only truth that can set our people free.

Don't let them shred our Constitution. Don't let them steal the Vote From your Children right before they send them off to war.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

57. Kick this for our Children! n/t

[Cowboy Joe2k]

58. Kick this.

This is your Democracy this is your freedom this is every thing you hoped for. This is your Children this is your grand children. the is the hope of the world.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

59. Kickthis as if your life depends on it.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

60. I want you Humans to know I love you. I love you and I love my

Democracy.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

61. Please stop killing our people!

Please stop extwinguishing our species. You keep building Biger Better Weapons, when will you see that we could do the same thing with Robot wars. that Show on Comedy Central. Why do weople have to die. Is it for Religion? I can't belive any God, or Alla condones Killing your Fellow Man and women.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

62. Can we Please Please have peace?

[tinfoil_beret]

63. Woohoo!

They're already talking about blocking Nevada's electoral votes!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x92163#92172

What did I tell you? The storm is coming!

[Cowboy Joe2k]

64. Kick this as if your life depends on it, cause more then likly it surly

Does.

Lagitimantly at all??? How do we know all of them are not rigged?

We Need to vote for the People we empower! This is bigger then Any of this Voting crap this about stopping us from killing our selves a a Population Pretty soon All this war crap it's gonna be autimated Hell it all ready is. Now Stop Playing with the Guns for a moment, An give us back our right to vote.

Thats what this is about you fool, It's the fate of the Human race.

Kick that!

It's not for our country you dork, its for our world.

One of you jerks is gonna drop an A Bomb soon, and I don't Care who did it because I would rather not live to tell about it or was that your plan all along?
How much longer do we have this planet for ideots, it's time to start looking for a nother one. Personally, I think you Should Build a High Roller Casino on the moon. Kick that. Your Meadia would eat that up. Population of Earth wakes up and develops to a point where we can Leave our atmosfear, and look for other places to live. We had the 2000 century to Spend violently hating each other, it is time to put the Guns Down and become a civilized nation.

Don't you see morons, this is the only hope for mand kind? Wake up and use our tax dollors on somthing else please. Like how about us??

Seriously, You guys drop another Nuke on us and it will be the end.

We the People of Earth Need the right to control our planet. Hellow are you out there????????

This is the only way your ever gonna save Humanity So Please wake up to the facts!!!!

[Cowboy Joe2k]

65. Can Humans be a protected spices too?

[Cowboy Joe2k]

66. Seriously theres your talking point at nagoiations.

Can we please all agree to put the guns down and start building a Real World?

Do you think your guys just might be able to Give us our rights as a people? If you Did you would be fufilling everything that founded this country. and maby if we are lucky enough to not get hit by an Asteroid, we might just posibly preserve or life for else ware in the Galicy.

That what he American people want to see now, we are tired of War movies. ok? Please stop killing us. Please stop killing them. Please stop hating every one.

I herd they found another Osama Tape on the Radio today. I hurd he said that the Muslim people did not want to hurt you. Why did he say that?????/ it's because he want the same thing for is people. the right to stop having them killed. This is your problem this is what you don't understand but now your getting the hint.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

67. Do we at least have the right to change the channel on this Reality

TV Show????????

We are sick of hate. That is why Kerry got So many Supporters. it was a vote for piece, and Humanity. but I had my voice silenced.

I thought I voted but I was wrong. I even took time to look at the iniatives. are you guys truly saying that none of what I did that day mattered? I'm Sory. nextime I'm going to vote third party and demand a recount.

And if any american really loves democracy they should stand up and do the same.

If the american people are with me. if it people arount the world are with me kick the hell out of this.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

69. Kick this because it's the entire population Not wanting to be

Stuck here Kicking Mesages all of the time. are we ready to take back our planet form this megar existance. if we ever had a chance of not killing each other it is NOW!

[tinfoil_beret]

70. It appears that Senator McCain's email still works after all.

I received an automatic reply to my email that did not tell me that the server rejected it!

Unfortunately, Senator McCain lives on the other side of the aisle. Yep, he's a Republican. :(

[tinfoil_beret]

71. Apparently...

Senator Biden and Senator Dorgan also received my email. Of course, I only received automated replies. Actually, the replies looks less like automated replies than form letter. The one from Sen. Dorgan asks for my current mailing address (presumably because he wants to know if I'm one of his constituents.)

[Cowboy Joe2k]

72. Kick this it is your human right.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

73. Kick this. this is the last hope for world peace.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

74. write in Peace. On paper ballots and demand that they cout them

In Front of you. That is how you take down a whole groupe of opressors. Stand together with your comunity an Make sure you take your right to have your voice be herd.

Print that. Copy that this is your Freedom people Send this to you Friends and neighbors. This is the last chance for peace. They know this is out their, and they know that if they can keep dividing you they can continue to conquer you. So the only way they will ever silence you is to kill you. Demand a vote for Piece. Every body just put down your weapons take a step back and tell your community's to vote for peace. This is the only way we will take down this monster and we must do it now!!!

Send this to every one. it is My gift to you people. Humans %100 democracy. These Machines will never rule our society.



Print that before they try to kill you again. this is how you can easily win in 08. The World Population are with you. You can beat every election that way. Because None of them Stand for Peace. If any of them did we would come out and Vote in Droves. But it matters not The intelligent people get to finally bring piece to this planet.

This is the only way you the Humans will ever rule anything.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

75. It's us against thease damn thing Get your rights back now.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

76. Kick this for our brothers and mothers and daughters.

Indeed, All Human life for ever depends on it. Each and every one of you must Go and Demand the right to vote no on war. Vote yes on peace.

[Cowboy Joe2k]

77. No people don't let them have it.

Kick this to the other side of our planet it's the only way we will ever survive.