Does the DNC work for you?

[GettysbergII]

For me the answer is no way, no how. I can't see a future in supporting a party that:

1) Took the vote fraud issue so superficially both before and after this election. Their strategy to prevent it beforehand and to uncover it afterward suggests they either they did little due diligence on the subject or in fact are somehow complicit in preventing transparent elections.

2) Seems to accept media bias as a given/ doesn't insist the Fairness Doctrine be reinstated. FOX news actually had a wistle blowers lawsuit overturned based on the argument that legally they have a right to distort the news if they want to. No national news service and no democrat ever mentioned this as far as I know. The look at what happened to Rather.

3) Comes to a knife fight wearing boxing gloves. I want a party that speaks the truth loudly and I don't care if the Republicans claim we're 'sore losers' or 'tin foil hat wearers'. When you have the truth on your side, use it for crying out loud.

And that's before we even get to any specific issues. Obviously there’s no way I’ll support the DNC unless it actually returns to its roots instead of just dyes them. Right now I fear the DNC saw Howard Dean as a bigger threat to itself than George W. Bush. And a legitimized grassroots Vote Fraud movement as a greater threat than a election stolen by a fascist right-wing.

But those are just my perceptions. How does everybody else see it? I really don’t think there are any easy answers here.

[whalerider55]

1. you make ...

some good, provocative points.

i buy a number of them.

i hope your comments encourage a good discussion.

and i did try to vote in your poll, but each time i tried it just showed that I had voted for George Bush...
ya think?

whalerider55

[GettysbergII]

2. ROFLMAO!

Always go Diebold! It's the Diehard battery of the Fixed Election set.

[cavanaghjam]

3. The DNC works

only for the DNC. They may not be the favorite child of the entrenched powers, but they're standing in line with their hands out nonetheless.

[GettysbergII]

19. DNC = Don't Need to Change (nm)

[Tuddie]

4. Can I vote twice?

First, I'll work toward a third party, then, if that won't work, off I go to another country! Pack up the kids, honey, we're heading for Vancouver.

[GettysbergII]

6. Property values are going to be going through the roof in Vancouver.

We plan to stay and fight to regain our country but we have a 12 yr old and a 15 yr old and so we have considered the Vancouver option as a final alternative to having our children fight in Bush's Corporate Wars.

[khz]

9. Can I ride in your trunk?

Good chance I'll be relocating to BC as well, but that won't stop me from voting absentee for the best chance good candidate.
(I voted secession - I'd like to see all elected officials that aren't fighting to ensure fairness, transparency, and accountability in elections to be permenantly banned from governmental office. Kerry, Bush, Edwards, Lieberman, Cheney....the whole lot)

[Tuddie]

14. Sure, come on along!

And, oh, yes - I agree - any politician who does not have a spine and has no teeth should be OUT of office. Let's get to work to get them OUT!

[newyawker99]

21. Hi khz!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[RC]

5. Either start a new party or

take over the DNC. The DNC seem to be a subsidiarity of the RNC.

What did Kerry do and say about the rigged elections, anything?

The Iraq atrocities done in our name?

After the elections were over, he folded his tent and disappeared back into the night without a whimper.

I want my country back. I want leaders who are out raged at what is going on in this country now. I want leaders to stand up and be vocal about the crimes being committed by the bu$h administration. Where are Kennedy, Clinton and the rest of the so called liberals in Congress? Did they sell out?

This war for oil is wrong on every level. We should be working WITH the rest of the world to solve our energy problems, not wasting the worlds dwindling energy by killing nations in a misguided attempt to control what is not ours to control in the first place.

[GettysbergII]

7. Take over the DNC?

I honestly wonder if that's possible anymore. The Dems conspired with the GOP to saw Dean's legs from under him.

[Tuddie]

8. kick

[imenja]

10. Please don't move to another country

or the Dem's will never win again. If all the progressives leave the country the Republicans will rule forever.

[GettysbergII]

20. Good point, Imenja

We're staying and fighting for democracy. I honestly don't think Bush is going to last through this term.

[BeatleBoot]

11. DNC works for me!

A lot of local elections rocked for the Dems.

See Colorado and Montana for starters.

I know the Dems REALLY rocked in my area - where they were supposed to get crushed. This was the supposedly the year that Dem strongholds went over to the dark side where I live, but that didn't happen. Just the opposite, actually. The dems re-affirmed their dominance - big time!

I'm psyched to be a Democrat. I'm looking forward to the future.

But, hey, that's just me...

[Tuddie]

15. Okay ... hopeful DNCs are okay... so stick around

It's a fine thing to be psyched to be a Dem. Someone has to carry the vanguard. Thanks for doin' that.

[mirandapriestly]

12. The DNC web site has nothing about election fraud OR

vote suppression. They do not even say anything about the documented cases, which I find mysterious. I remember when Gore was holding out in Florida in 2000, the former chairman Ed Rendell (sorry if I spelled incorrectly) came on CNN and said that it was time for Gore to step down or something along those lines. I thought that was awful. Their position is disturbing

[Tuddie]

16. I'll reveal myself if you check out my comments on

http://www.garlicandgrass.org/sprouts.cfm?issue=7

I believe the DNC and Kerry have very much to lose if a full blown investigation is conducted. Call me cynical, call me a realist, but don't call me in despair. The fight is just begining!

[ewulf]

13. I see a lot of room for hope;

A new DNC could emerge that might spearhead the transformation and reinvigoration of our party: with Howard Dean and others with a base in todays grass roots organizing at the helm, the party can become bold and unflinching. It can embrace candidates who do not apologize for their beliefs or for the truth, while at the same time maintaining the big tent, the embrace of a diversity of views and ideas and the willingness to not just be ideologically liberal but liberal with our ideology, that makes the Democratic Party the only party that can possibly succeed in uniting this country. I see the emergence of a new, strong Democratic Party, with overarching principles, hewn and tested in our great cities, that will lead us toward a stronger and more just America.

Perhaps this is a pipe dream, perhaps the self doubters in the DNC will win and perhaps they'll succeed in their subconscious campaign to destroy our country, but I'm an optimist: I'll stick with the Democrats a little longer yet.

[GettysbergII]

17. I think real change in the DNC will occur only....

.....if a progressive wing emerges outside of the DNC that scares the living shit out of them in terms of losing their gravy train. Also if the progessive wing takes stronger leftist positions on issues the DNC will feel more 'comfortable' (read 'moderate') moving to the left.

[Tuddie]

18. Kick