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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 05:34 PM
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What grounds do we have to call UN to help us on voter fraud?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 05:38 PM
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1. Excellent question AIT... Weren't there international observers here?
Anyone have links to their reports? Could this provide us with an in at the UN?

NGU.


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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 05:49 PM
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6. The OSCE did a report....
...and even though some say the Bush adminstration has them in their hip pocket, their report wasn't exactly glowing.

http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2004/11/3779_en.pdf

Some quotes:

"However, the way in which election administrators are appointed may raise questions of possible conflict of interest, in particular when election officials run for office or act as campaign managers."
"It is to be hoped that future reforms will further enhance consistency regarding the following: voter registration criteria and procedures; rules for issuing, verifying and counting provisional ballots; voter identification requirements; absentee voting by eligible citizens living abroad."

"Allegations of electoral fraud and voter suppression, primarily among minorities, were widely reported and presented to the EOM in the pre-election period."

"A coherent approach to such issues is highly desirable, addressing both fraud prevention and ensuring full enfranchisement. Suffrage is best protected when both election administrators and voters themselves take responsibility for ensuring that voter lists are accurately and well-maintained."

"However, in other states, access was not possible or was limited."

"There were, however, some concerns, for instance in relation to the use of provisional ballots and occasional problems with DRE (direct recording electronic) machines."

"Very long queues were reported in many areas, with polling stations lacking the capacity to ensure a reasonably prompt throughput of voters."

"Significant delays at the polling station are likely to deter some voters from voting and may restrict the right to vote. While a solution to this problem may have cost implications, it is clearly desirable that steps are taken to reduce delays in future elections."
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 05:40 PM
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2. They are in the Manhattan telephone book, give them a . . .
. . . or better yet, begin public demonstrations right in front of the UN building. Better hurry though, George Bush, the republicans, the neo-conservatives and the Christian right wing fundies plan to evict the UN probably a lot sooner than we think.
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Truman01 Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 05:41 PM
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3. None, the UN has no jurisdiction
And this is where I break with many of you. I don't like the UN, I think they are a corrupt organization of nations. Go ahead, flame me if you will but the UN never gets anything done right.
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 05:43 PM
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5. OH YEAH, BUT AMERICA DOES WITHOUT THEM RIGHT?
YEAH, JUST LOOK AT OUR STUNNING SUCCESS IN IRAQ! JUST LIKE CHENEY SAID! WOOOHOOOO! FUCK THE UN, WE ARE ARROGANT ENOUGH TO BE BETTER THAN ANYBODY!! AND WOOOHOOOOO, AMERICA ISN'T CORRUPT, NAHHHH NOT LIKE ALLLLLL THOSE DAMN UN COUNTRIES... FUCK THE UN, WE ARE HONEST AND HAVE INTEGRITY. WE ARE THE ONLY GREAT NATION IN THE WORLD.... NAHHHHH NO CORRUPTION HERE, YUPPPP WE GET EVERYTHING DONE RIGHT HERE!

Ok, I'm done now.......

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Truman01 Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 06:21 PM
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7. I can't argue with our success or lack of it, but we were talking
about the UN.

Rawanda 800,000 dead
Sudan 150,000 dead
Oil/Food 19 billion stolen


The list goes on and on. The UN is a tough organization to defend, and saying that we are bad doesn't make them any better.

TC
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 05:43 PM
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4. I don't know but it would be an extremely foolish move
You know the American people, remember what happened when The Gaurdian tried to interfere in Clark county Ohio? It caused a backlash of opinion and the same would happen if someone tried to bring an "outsider" in to arbitrate an American election. It would cause public opinion to go strongly against the cause
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