Jesse Jackson Latest News as of 11/28/04 at 7:10pm CST

[Stand and Fight]

BREAKING NEWS FROM OHIO 7:03pm CST:

Columbus, Ohio

"Jesse Jackson spoke in Ohio at large African-American church. At a press conference before the rally in which the lead attorney openly stated that they discovered the method by which the election in Ohio was rigged for G.W. Bush. As many as 65,000 votes were lifted from the Kerry column to the Bush column. Discovered from looking at a parallel race (Connally). Democratic Supreme Court justice ended up getting more votes than Kerry did. Attorneys are surmising that the only way this could have happened is if votes were lifted from Kerry to Bush. They have the actual vote counts. They consider this prima facia evidence."

--Evan Davis

http://www.freepress.org

I got this information from the live interview with Evan Davis at the following web address:
http://www.kpft.org/

[Stand and Fight]

1. Dang it

:kick:

[IAMREALITY]

2. Can ya Feel IT?

Can Ya Feel It In The Air? THINGS ARE STARTIN TO HAPPEN PEOPLE, IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME!

Today is the most motivating day for me yet. This coming week is going to be a week to remember, REALITY SAYS SO!

[politicasista]

4. But where is the media?

I haven't seen it anywhere. Jesse is the truth!

[mod mom]

57. the media?

where was the media in the early 60's covering civil rights? WE ARE THE MEDIA- our voices! Come to Columbus on 12/4 for the FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY Rally-Rev Jackson will be speaking along with Greg Palast!

[ClassWarrior]

95. You're right mom - BE the media!!

NGU.

[Catch22Dem]

7. I can't feel it at all...

I'm sorry, I wish I could, but I've had my hopes DASHED on so many stories over the past 4 years. I've seen SO many posts identical to yours that I can't even count them any more. BELIEVE ME, I'm hoping you're right, and I certainly don't begrudge you your optimism, but I just can't feel it.

[goclark]

24. Without hope there is nothing

I refuse to let a fool like GWB strip my hope gene from my heart.

I will never give up!

As Jesse has said many times, "Keep Hope Alive!"

[seito]

8. There's something happening here...

What it is ain't exactly clear...

A week to remember indeed!

Reality, you rock.

[goclark]

28. It's getin' hot in here!

Fire! Fire !

Yes, yes, yes!

Keep hope alive!
Keep hope alive!

:bounce:
:bounce:
:bounce:
:bounce:
:bounce:
:bounce:

[Stand and Fight]

35. Love You Guys!

This is what I like -- all of this positive energy is very promising. Nothing great is every accomplished easily, and this struggle is very much an example of that. This has got to be the big one. Somethings gotta give people. Maybe the emerging evidence and stuff like this is why Rice's confirmation hearing has been postponed? Speculation...?

:grouphug:

[goclark]

54. We are ready willing and able to stay on top of this fight

and anyone that does not want to get on board,too bad.

The train is leaving the station.

Go Jesse! Go Jesse!

[Jo March]

65. Amen, goclark

We will NOT forget or get over it. We will fight.

Dammit, I will continue to fight. My kids deserve no less from me.

[ClassWarrior]

94. I think it's time to stop, children - what's that sound?

Everybody look what's going down...

NGU.

[TexasChick]

105. I trust you, REALITY!! n/t

[brainshrub]

3. Yawn.

This will be buried faster than a bone in a fat dogs mouth.

If only we had someone who could take this fight to the national spotlight. Someone who ran for President and promised to make sure that every vote counted. Someone like, oh say... John Kerry.

Where is he anyways?

[goclark]

37. Forget Kerry right now!

He needs to stay right where he is, if he jumped in now it would be a dog fight.

He would take the focus off of the issue and we want it on the issue.

If Kerry made a statement now they would be asking him what Theresa felt, why he went to Viet Nam, what kind of wounds did he receive for his fake medals and more and more bull shit.

If anyone needs to come out swinging it is the American public that needs to stop yawning and wake up and MARCH.

However this story ends, I want to tell my grand children that I did every thing possible to make this world a better place.

What we do here and what we say here is a piece, no matter how small,of the history of the Election of 2004.

[jamboi]

47. No way. As soon as this flows to the top of the media he must jump in.n/t

[goclark]

53. But he didn't have to be there today and

the Media probably doesn't want to give him much airtime now.

It is in the Republicans best interest to keep Kerry on ice as long as possible.

So they will have to do Scott Peterson and those wild Pistons tomorrow and don't forget the Ukraine. These are they important issues of the day. >sarcasm.

[Straight Shooter]

5. Link doesn't take me to a direct story. Who is the attorney, please?

More info, please. Do you think this will have an impact on the general perception of election? Will people begin to understand the election is tainted?

Thanks very much :)

[Loki]

11. Try this link

this goes directly to the story about the Jesse Jackson rally in Ohio today.

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/944

[Straight Shooter]

39. Thanks. I like this quote in the article:

“We need to investigate, coordinate, litigate, recount and recuse," he said, referring to the legitimacy of the Ohio vote. “Mr. Blackwell cannot be both the owner of the team and the umpire.”

Apparently JJ believes there is legal redress available, even though Barney Frank does not seem to agree. (See the thread on Barney Frank in 2004 Election Results forum.)

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

6. Are we finally getting to the smoking gun that everyone seems to need?

any more links and updates would be appreciated when they appear

[intheflow]

9. This is wonderful news!

I dedicated the church service to Rev. Jackson and all who work for justice and accountablity in elections today. (I'm an intern minister at a UU church.) Was pleased to see many people in the pews nodding in knowing understanding. People know what's going down.

[Eloriel]

16. That is so cool!

Go, UU!!

[crispini]

10. Ya know, waaaay back with the 80 pound paper thing...

remember that? I wrote an Ohio reporter bitching about the Blackwell thing and my subject was, "Will Ohio be the new Florida?" He wrote me back and asked me to verify my personal info, but I never heard anything back from him, and he presumably never used my comments, since I *am* not from Ohio, after all.

I feel very prescient now, and I think of that reporter often. I wonder what he thinks about all this. I may have to write him again.

[kk897]

42. Just curious... which reporter?

I live in Ohio and do some media relations work. I'd like to know what reporter, since I also contacted a couple on various recount issues and have been brushed off.

[goclark]

44. Write him again

and ask him did he attend the Jesse Jackson rally.

[hangloose]

12. Execellent article we need to kick it to as many individuals

and news sources as possible in the next 24 hours before it becomes stale.

[Stand and Fight]

13. Clarification

People, this was from a live interview given by Evan Davis. I was simply transcribing what he had said during the interview. I was simply siting where my sources for the information emrged from. Nonetheless, this is what Evan Davis had to say in his short interview.

[Woo]

14. I heard...

The same thing -- but it was confused toward the end -- First Davis said they KNOW how the election was rigged -- then when asked do they have evidence or are just surmising -- it became more of a surmise... the parallel race for an African American Democratic State Chief Justice garnered thousands of votes over what Kerry got -- just that plain fact should be enough to launch an investigation... makes sense to me when a state race gets many thousands of votes more than the Presidential race... something is fishy.

I'm not sure of evidence bit -- I HOPE they have evidence -- or at least they know how they did it -- but that isn't clear yet -- needs verification...

[s-cubed]

20. Judge got 257,000 more votes than Kerry!

The freepress article said that the judge got 257,000 more votes than Kerry. That is amazing - and totally improbable.

[LisaL]

58. She did not get more votes than Kerry.

Not according to the official results.
It's impossible for her to get more votes than Kerry, considering she lost the race.
I have no clue where they got 257,000 more votes for Connally, but it's not true.

[ClassWarrior]

96. Link?

NGU.

[roseBudd]

121. Connaly got less votes in Cuyahoga than Kerry where she is

known and way more votes in SW Ohio counties than Kerru where she is an unknown.

[jamboi]

15. Sorry, we started typing our threads at the same time. "Prima Facia"

[Stand and Fight]

17. Originally Posted by JamBoi on Another Thread

This is huge folks: Listening to Pacifica this afternoon after the Madsen interview a Pacifica reporter came on with breaking news from Ohio. In addition to the encouraging news about Jackson's rally and Kerry's interest in full investigations they went on to say that the lawyers that were contesting the Ohio election now have "Prima Facia evidence" of election fraud. Basically votes appear to have been shifted from the Kerry column to the Bush column. For more on how all this was figured out and other details see the following article and read about the comparison of the votes for the democratic judge and the vote for Kerry, in about the middle of the article:

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/94...

JamBoi

[Stand and Fight]

18. Kicking it...

:kick:

[Catherine Vincent]

19. Wow! Do they have proof of this?

[Stand and Fight]

22. Unclear

It is unclear from the interview -- when asked he retorted that the attorneys are surmising that votes were shifted. From the interview, it could be taken one of two ways -- either the attorneys have evidence of vote fraud or that they are surmising that votes were switched. He made it sound like they had evidence. But if it is proven that votes were shifted from one column to the other, Bush is going to lose THOUSANDS of votes.

[pbartch]

108. This is fantastic news. All I want for Christmas......is President Kerry!

I'll be reading news and keeping my fingers crossed for this to get resolved soon.

[intheflow]

25. "prima facia" = "obvious"

I had to look it up, but here's a site from Moritz College of Law I found useful and interesting on the subject:

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/campaign_finance_fed03.html

Excerpt:
"When allegations of improper coordination arise, evidence of actual coordination is often very difficult to find. The proverbial "smoking gun" would be a memo or an exchange of e-mails describing the coordination, but such documents are often unavailable. In most instances, circumstantial evidence — such as statistical correlations of advertising purchases or a cross-over of employees — may be all that exists to suggest coordination. Indeed, in this campaign season, the allegations of improper coordination leveled against the Kerry campaign have been based on these kinds of circumstantial evidence. The question, then, is whether such circumstantial evidence is enough to prove improper coordination."

Edited to give a heads up that this article is about campaign finance reform, but I posted it b/c I think the implications re: prima facia are relevant.

[Stand and Fight]

30. You rock

Thanks I was looking for the translation of that when my intuition told me to come back and check the thread. That is precisely what it means, and with evidence like that.... Well, I will lose all hope if this doesn't cause one helluva ruckus!
:yourock:

[Carolab]

106. The issue is we have to BLOCK THE CERTIFICATION

SO THAT A PROPER INVESTIGATION IS GIVEN TIME TO MOVE FORWARD.

MARCH!!! PETITION!!!!

BLOCK THE DAMN THING!!!!!!!!

WE HAVE UNTIL FRIDAY!!!!!

[Stand and Fight]

107. A Most Excellent Plan

n/t

[bleever]

21. Clarification on the actual evidence

As noted above, this is still a little unclear. But this is still a big step forward. I think this week's gonna be a good one.

Here's an excerpt:

/snip/

By suspicious, Jackson is referring to the latest analysis of the Nov. 2 vote by a coalition of Ohio voting rights activists. In analyzing the still-unofficial results, the totals reveal that C. Ellen Connally, an African-American Democratic candidate from Cleveland for Ohio Chief Justice, received more than 257,000 votes than Kerry.

In Butler County, for example, Connally had 45,457 more votes than Kerry. The reason these vote counts are suspect is because Connelly, a retired African-American judge, was vastly outspent in her race, and did not have the visibility of the presidential race. Thus for a more obscure Democratic candidate, farther down on the ticket, to get a quarter of a million more votes statewide than Kerry, suggests something happened to suggest there may have been a transfer of Kerry votes to Bush.

“This looks like a computer glitch or a computer fix,” said Bob Fitrakis, a lawyer, political scientist and Editor of the Columbus Free Press (http://freepres.org) who has written about election irregularities since Bush was declared the winner. Fitrakis is among the team of lawyers who announced they would soon file an election challenge in the state’s Supreme Court.

/snip/

[life_long_dem]

59. I seriously believe that anyone voting for Kerry

would also vote any Dem. candidate,(and vice versa) no sense in taking a chance on a repuke candidate, just to make sure that bush didn't get any more support in the Congress.

[jean]

99. just have to say: I love Bob Fitrakis!

[Cherie59]

23. Is this for real?

[Stand and Fight]

27. Yes, Cherie

According to the interview that I listened to and the message at Free Press referenced above, most assuredly YES!

[LisaL]

52. Where did they get these numbers?

They do not match official records. Also, it would be impossible for Connaly to get 257,000 more votes than Kerry and lose, considering Kerry is only trailing Bush by 136,000 votes. Official numbers show Kerry got more votes than Connally. Connally did get more votes than Kerry in some republican stronghold, but not by this much.

[coeur_de_lion]

69. I read the article -- fabulous. Does anyone have a link for the interview

[SophieZ]

90. Here is the interview link

http://www.kpftx.org/archives/kpftsignal/index.php

Go to SUNDAY MONITOR - NOVEMBER 28

After about 20 minutes of news, you will hear a 20 minute interview with Wayne Madsen.

Then, at the very end of the show, there is a 4 minute interview live from Columbus Ohio regarding Jesse Jackson's appearance today, and the contemplated lawsuit to contest the Ohio election, based on these anomalies. In fact, because it was breaking news, it goes over into the next show -- to access that, go to PAN AFRICAN JOURNAL for a few minutes.

[Bread and Circus]

26. I gotta feeling this is the rabbit hole...way big...direct link.....

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/944

[shraby]

31. Similar results with the judges on the ballot

and Kerry totals in New Mexico. If you check by county and by precinct, the Dem judges (state supreme court and court of appeals) got more votes than Kerry did.

[Bread and Circus]

32. Same w/ many down ticket dems in Oklahoma....

but it could one of them Dixiecrat things in OK's case.

[karlrschneider]

41. The obvious conclusions aside, it's refreshing to see someone writing

'jibe', the correct word, instead of 'jive' so often seen. Good link, thanks. :D

[Bread and Circus]

29. Nominate this for home page...the article is great IMO.

[intheflow]

33. I nominated this for the homepage. n/t

[Kellis]

36. um....

:hi: How do you nominate for the homepage?

[intheflow]

46. Link at the bottom left of the post.

There are 3 links the opposite side from where you hit "reply."

"Alert" is for when you suspect a freeper is infiltrating or someone is otherwise exhibiting anti-social behavior. There's the "nominate for homepage" button which, uh, you know! then there's another link, but I can't remember what it is... maybe "send this page to a friend"? Whatever. Now you know!

[Kellis]

73. ~ok cool.

:toast:

Thank You

[Kellis]

34. omg!!

"Press conference before rally in which lead attorney openly stated that they discovered the method by which the election in Ohio was rigged for G.W. Bush".

:wow:

[kerry2win]

38. I hope that means 130,000 possible turn around

neg 65,000 b*** and extra 65,000 President elect Kerry

[Bread and Circus]

40. If they could prove it, I bet it will be more than that.

I think it would in fact put Kerry in the White House.

[seito]

49. Does anyone else find it interesting

In one of John Kerry's first interviews after the election he said "We were 50,000 votes, approximately, moving the other way, short, in one state."

[Karenca]

51. I do

That statement from Kerry assured me that he was taking an active roll in all this.

[trudyco]

103. So is this enough to get through Repub judges?

Should we pick one of these precincts and do a post election poll or canvass for affidavits of who people voted for or "unofficial" revote by people listed in the poll book?

Pick a couple of churches and have people come in over a weekend and check them off the original list of people who voted?

[genieroze]

43. Here is a TV clip of it

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/11/28/jessejackson.html

[Stand and Fight]

45. Regarding clip

This is a clip of Jackson speaking, but not of the lead attorney talking about the prima facia evidence that was found. Just wanted to clear that up folks.

:grouphug:

[intheflow]

48. Clip malfunctioned on me.

Just as Jackson started talking, it jumped to talking about the oil spill on the Delaware River. :shrug:

[mod mom]

50. Data from Columbus Oh from CASEOhio

Please check out my data I have been asked to post. It is under "Huge OH 4 county Disprepancy" It is pertinent to this.

[ZRB]

55. This is great news!

So when is the terror alert level going to be raised to red?

[Stand and Fight]

56. Can't let this die

:kick:

[wantkerryin]

60. Ohhh this is nice....

we've come so far haven't we? Are we going to see a big week with this or what?!!? I'm so happy that Jesse Jackson is getting this out. And that he's probably contacting Kerry saying 'what's next boss?'. This is good, real good. Democracy is moving and we all need to get on the train.

[drummer55]

61. Very confused here

I am comparing Connelly via http://serform.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/2004/gen/supCourtChief.htm

county by county with the results for Kerry on
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/county.000.html

Can somebody help me understand this. There are 257,000 extra votes for Connelly than for Kerry.


thanks

[jbnow]

74. Kerry got 650,000 MORE then Connally in Ohio

So...this shouldn't make sense to aanyone. Connally did get more in a few counties, but far less in the state total.

http://serform.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/11-02-04.htm
Kerry
2,659,664 49%

http://serform.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/2004/gen/supCourtChief.htm
C. Ellen Connally 2,018,987 46.66%
*Thomas J. Moyer 2,308,283 53.34%

[Twist_U_Up]

62. Is this History in the making?

I`m getting goosebumps and shivers of joy. I want so bad to tell about 15 bushistas to take their mandate and shove it up their friggin asses

[Stand and Fight]

63. Ha ha

You and me both buddy. I have a whole building full of people I'd like to tout this around... LOL
Pray that God is on our side.

[buzzard]

70. Pray you are on God's side.

[Stand and Fight]

77. What?

What is that supposed to mean?

[IAMREALITY]

64. 15?

Holy Fuck I got a good fuckin thousand that I'm gonna make eat this shit so deep it ain't even funny. I swear to God I'm gonna drudge up alllllllll my cockiness, alllllllll my arrogance, alllllll my self-righteousness, allllllll my fucking big headed ego I can Fucking Muster and let shit fly like I never let shit fly before!

:bounce:

[Kellis]

91. LOL

Welcome to DU:hi: :toast:

[wlubin]

66. I have a fresh un-used Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker for my car where

I am just waiting for the right moment in all this recount business to pop that sucker onto my car. We should all do the same at that very moment.

[Stand and Fight]

67. Still have mine.

I never removed my Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker from my ride. In fact, I have one posted in my cubicle at work, and I look at it every day. Hopefully what this lawyer said spears our Johnnies into action.

[Chimpanzee]

82. I have a Veterans for Kerry and

a Kerry/Edwards on my bumper. I've noticed that I don't see many anymore like I did before the election. Mine is staying on, and I'm adding a DU.COM bumper sticker if/when it arrives!

[Stand and Fight]

87. Good, good!!

A person with convictions -- it is good to see that you will stick by your guns. I'm very annoyed with some Democrats here in Oklahoma who have removed their stickers, etc... I admire you for holding up your head with conviction. Says a lot for the excellent content of your character.
:7

[Chimpanzee]

89. Well, you just made a new friend!

LOL!

[Stand and Fight]

98. Good deal

Friends are always welcome!

[Verve]

102. I haven't wanted to take my bumper sticker off yet! Despite urging from

family! I knew there was a good reason to keep it on! Go Kerry Go!:bounce:

[texpatriot2004]

68. Thank you Rev. I always love listening to Rev. Jesse Jackson

He tells it like it is. Thanks for the words of wisdom and hope.

[dewaldd]

71. JACKSON'S CONNALLY NUMBERS ARE ALL WRONG!!!

I have posted this many times already...

The information is all at the Secretary of State website: http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/2004/main.htm

I posted my spreadsheet here: http://www.geocities.com/boycott_sinclair/prez-vs-supre ...

Jackson's numbers are completely wrong.

Statewide, Kerry got 640,677 more votes than Connally. There are 11 counties where Connally beat out Kerry. The numbers in those counties only add up to 19,350.

There are also a fairly equivalent number of counties where the Republican Supreme Court candidate Moyer beat out Bush; they add up to 15,509. I don't see conspiracy in these numbers. They look like noise.

[standingup]

76. The link

to your spreadsheet isn't working?

Thanks

[freepweb]

79. Jackson was talking about margins

Information here:
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/944

[proudtobeadem]

112. Oh Oh! Are you sure? Because if it true then you better get that to JJ

we don't want him or this whole cause to be torn to shreds by the RW because of a mistake when there is so much truth to the whole issue.
Are your numbers the final ones?
At least write and ask him to double check his sources.

[cdp]

72. Devil's advocate?

Can anyone play devil's advocate with this info? I am wondering if there is some Ohio version of the "Florida Dixiecrat."

What about the other races? Where there other races that were toward the bottom of the ballot that had the Dem candidate getting more votes than Kerry?

[Mike Nelson]

75. If JESSE JACKSON or staff is reading... THANK YOU!

:)

[freepweb]

78. Jackson was talking about margins

Kerry Supports Ohio Vote Investigation, Jackson says

"...In counties listed above, the total margin for Connally (in her race) exceeded the margin for Kerry (in his race) by 257,546 votes."

Read more:
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/944

[MRKARNO]

81. Yes but are they proportional?

If the results are proportional to the Bush/Kerry margins, then there is no argument here. I wish it were true, but I just don't see what everyone else is seeing and I think there's some wishful thinking injected into some of this.

[MRKARNO]

80. I dont buy this

The reason that there are less votes for Connally is because less people vote for Supreme Court Justice than the Presidential race. Those numbers are in general, proportional to those that Kerry received.

[Stand and Fight]

83. Damn Freepers

I have come out and said before that a person's total posts should not be looked at, but now all these new people are posting. They are dissenters and cannot be trusted. In my mind, almost anyone who suddenly joins in discussion with less than say 150 posts is not someone seeking to reason but a damnable freeper. Ignore them, my friends, because they're no good and will only serve to deflect our attention.

IGNORE THE FREEPERS WHO RECENTLY POSTED! THEY'RE TROLLS, NOTHING MORE.

:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

[MRKARNO]

84. Dissent is healthy

I am no freeper, I have been following these boards for a month or so now. If you can't handle dissent, then you're like BushCo, trying to take away the right to dissent. I don't think I am a troll, and I'md definately NOT a freeper, but I think there are some serious problems in this methodology because it doesnt take into account the fact that Connally got less than Kerry in percentage terms and that less people are probably voting for SC Justice than president.

[ClassWarrior]

97. Dissent is healthy - psy ops is evil.

What we're seeing is an amateurish attempt at the latter, not the free and healthy exercise of the former.

NGU.

[texpatriot2004]

114. Exactly!

I am all for dissent but I know what dissent is and the trolls aren't dissenters.

[texpatriot2004]

85. You are right to look beyond the sheer number of newbie posts

Look at the substance of what they post. Most of them are freepers, trolls - and if you ignore them it's best. Use your energy for constructive things, don't waste it on them. I am a newbie too but I can spot trolls easily and so can you. I joined in, I have to start somewhere and I was so glad to be here at DU. I think dissent is good, but when every post they make takes the "Devil's advocate" position that isn't dissent that's trolling. Damn freepers indeed!

[Stand and Fight]

86. Right on, texpatriot2004

That last thing that posted is a perfect example of someone who is only here to arose dissent and foster feelings of general unease. Thanks for reminding me things should be paid as little conversation as we do to our coffee tables or chairs. And for me, at least, never talk to inanimate mindless objects.


:evilgrin:

[WMoses]

88. Newbie?

So if I make my post number one, would I be considered a "freeper?" (Whatever that is). I've been here reading since 11/4/2004 but only registered today.

[seito]

92. Hi WMoses

Welcome!!!

I am new here also, but it is my understanding that a freeper is DU slang for a fundi neocon republican troll. They are also known as repugs and repukes, and many other terms of endearment. They are commonly found at the Free Republic website, but often make their way onto DU.

We are alot more fun!!!

:toast:

[angrydemocrat]

109. Seito It All Coming To Light Now! This Is Exciting!

Especially for all of us that have never given up on Kerry from the start. It's almost a daily fight with all the naysayer's but as I have always said Kerry is worth fighting for and as we use to say at all the rallies........


HEY HEY HO HO BUSH'S LYING A$$ HAS GOT TO GO!
HEY HEY HO HO BUSH'S LYING A$$ HAS GOT TO GO!
HEY HEY HO HO BUSH'S LYING A$$ HAS GOT TO GO!

[SophieZ]

93. Welcome to DU, WMoses!

:hi:

Please understand that some people waltz in and immediately start verbally trashing what is going on. If DU weren't doing some valuable stuff, we wouldn't be attracting disrupters (aka Freepers).

If your posts are positive, aimed at furthering the goals of a thread whether through contributions or honest construction criticism, don't worry about your number of posts.

[Stand and Fight]

100. Welcome WMoses

Welcome to DU Moses. You don't have to worry about being referred to as a freeper as long as you aren't a troublemaker. For your information, here's the definition of a "freeper" buddy:


1. Freeper

Right-wing political activist. So-called, because it is the nickname of the denizens of the ultra-right wing Web site FreeRepublic.com. Similar to "ditto-head."

Also spelled FReeper

Bill thinks that anyone who opposes President Bush should be thrown in jail. He's a total Freeper.

2. freeper

A vile, right-wing, hatred-spewing wingnut who is a member of the freerepublic.com forum. No dissent is allowed, users who post even the most mild deviation from the the most extreme neoconservative rhetoric are banned from the site. Limbaugh's fans, "dittoheads", are centrists by comparison. Freepers are particularly obsessed with Bill Clinton's penis.

The group invalidates invalidates political internet polls by repetitive voting in order to skew the results as far right as possible, i.e. "We freeped that poll!" They troll any and all political forums.

See "Borg". Also, "freeped", "to freep". Should always be lowercase.

"Into the mud, freeper scum!"

3. Freeper

Noun

One who intentionally distorts, slanders, and spins.

Verb: Freep

1. "Bigot and defamation artist Jerome R. Corsi was admittedly a freeper.

2. "Don't freep the facts, as the freepers do!"

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I hope this was helpful folks.

Source:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FReeper

[Ladyhawk]

101. LOL...I went to the urban dictionary site and noticed that

the freepers who tried to define the word "freeper" couldn't spell worth shit. :)

[Stand and Fight]

104. Yeah...

Kinda funny isn't it?

[texpatriot2004]

116. Stand and Fight - Thank you for the official definition and

the link to the reference. How cool is that?

[seito]

117. Thank you for that most informative post

Knowledge and wisdom have you Stand and Fight.

Forget not the urban bible...

"Thou shalt not freep"

"freep not lest ye be freeped"

[texpatriot2004]

115. Welcome WMoses

You know, you gotta start somewhere. I just registered recently too. I have also been reading since Nov. 3 or 4. You will soon know the "freepers" aka trolls. They will be obvious to you soon enough. Glad you are here. Welcome. :hi:

[cdp]

118. Uhh...

I like looking at things from all perspectives. Sorry if that bothers so many people here.

It is ironic that many people here will criticize the blind, uninformed support of Bush and his policies, but yell "troll" or "freeper" anytime someone responds to a fraud thread with anything other than complete enthusiasm.

[ReneB]

110. the 2000 results..

does anyone have them? Supreme Court justice and GORE / Bush?
just to compare

[Carolab]

111. Here's the link you want to Jackson's article

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/94

[Debbie13]

113. CNN's figures, count-by-county -- they no longer scroll forward. Why?

Has anyone had problems going to the second pages of the county figures?

I get the first page and then can't scroll forward. ????

Example:

http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/county.000.html

[goclark]

119. What is happening now - Monday?

The silence is getting to me.
Anything on the news?

[Stand and Fight]

120. CNN

It was on CNN briefly last night for about 45 seconds. By last night, I mean 2am CST.

[goclark]

122. Thanks ,that's a start, I started a Monday thread

[buddysmellgood]

123. Here in Wisconsin, a lot of republicans voted for Democrat Russ Feingold.

The disgusting, worthless rag of a morning paper, the Wisconsin State Journal endorsed both Bush and Feingold. I thought this might explain the odd votes in Warren county, but the numbers are just too far out of whack. Plus, I don't see how a Republican can vote for Bush on the one hand and a pro-choice, ACLUer on the other. That dog don't hunt.

[pat_k]

124. Hold your horses. The Connally thing is probably NOT a smoking gun

The http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/944">original free press article has had a correction posted. Summary of the numbers added for clarification:

2000 Butler County

President
Kerry 54,185 34%
Bush 106,735 66%
160,920 votes cast in county for President. Bush won county by 52,550

Chief Justice
Democract Connally 59,532 47%
Republican Moyer 66,625 52%
126,157 votes cast (78% of Presidential total) in county for Chief Justice. Moyer won by 7,093

In raw votes, Connally got 5347 more votes than Kerry

The 45,457 number for Bulter in the table is Bush's margin of victory over Kerry, 52,550, minus the Moyer margin of victory over Connnally, 7093. It is not clear to me what this number is supposed to indicate, but this is the "margin" that reflected by all those numbers. Some people have interpreted the numbers as the "Connally got xxx votes more than Kerry" -- and that is wrong.

I'm not sure how signficant all this will end up being and urge caution. If there is nothing to it, then they can say "Look at them grasp at straws."

The pattern is about the same as the 2000 results (see below). Until I hear a reason that the margin for the Connally Cheif Justice race would have a much bigger margin than in 2000, OR evidence that votes were hacked in 2000, I just don't see this as significant:

2004 Butler County

President
Bush,83,680 63.42%
Gore 44,661 33.85%
128,341 votes cast in county for President.

Supreme Court Justice Term commencing Jan. 1, 2001
Deborah Cook 60,936 55.22%
Tim Black 49,417 44.78%
110,353 votes cast (85% of presidential total)

Supreme Court Justice Term commencing Jan. 1, 2001
Terrence O'Donnell 58,897 51.93%
Alice Robie Resnick 54,517 48.07%
110,353 votes cast (88% of presidential total)

[pat_k]

125. Focus on the racism. Focus on the systematic discriminatory practices

We know there was systematic discrimination.

That MUST be the focus.

I believe that the chances that we will uncover fraud in a standard recount are VERY low. They learned a lesson back in 2000. Unless you prevent Democrats from voting entirely, their votes might be counted.

If the poll-tax-lines (time is money) are correlated with racial, partisan status, or socio-economic status in any state, the results of election are UNACCEPTABLE.

I've heard claims that the margin of victory in this or that state puts the issue "outside the zone of litigation," which is an absurd notion that must be challenged. If we accept that notion, it means that a state can freely engage in discriminatory election practices as long as the votes cast by those who manage to get past the barriers lean strongly for one candidate or the other.

When classes of voters face intolerable barriers, the election is UNACCEPTABLE. The law may be focused on counting ballots and proving counts wrong, but we MUST change that. Elections are more than ballot counts and MUST demand that they meet basic standards of fairness, where no class of voters is denied an equal opportunity to exercise their right to vote.

We must figure out how to take the message to the courts, to the streets, to the news media, and to Congress:

Racist Elections? NOT IN MY COUNTY!

The beauty of this nation is that it is founded on a set of simple truths and simple moral positions. Our thinking about this election -- and the actions we demand -- must also be.

Is there some way we can push to get discrimination suits off the ground? Push the National Lawyers Guild or high profiles lawyers like David Boies, Alan Dershowitz, or Gerry Spence to get "on the case"?