Talk About Wayne Madsen Q&A On Vote Rigging

[jamboi]

This is a topic created for us to discuss the on-line DU Q&A that Wayne Madsen did 11/28/04.

Found:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=86907&mesg_id=86907

JamBoi

[YellowDoginthehouse]

1. Hey Jamboi

The thread just got too long and hard to track.

Looks like Madsen has his ducks in a row, I will say that.

[chiffon]

2. I am anxiously waiting for this week's developments.

Specifically to see this story overflow into MSM. We know it should.

[autorank]

3. That was amazing. Thank you DUers who brought him on board!

I have one concern; the Rove trick as played on Dan Rather. I just hope this one is nailed down tight before it gets any serious air play. If this proves out, there will be absolute Hell to pay.

[genius]

4. We need to get out educational flyers.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Ahead of you

I already posted a civil disobedience 101 thread...

For some this is obvious but there is much more to civil disobedience than just fliers...


by the way somebody posted an email from Barney Franks that they are basically left wiht no recourse, I plan to put that email in the same leaflet at the Declaration... I beleive people will make the connection... once you do that... and they do that, we can start edjumaciating

Realize the Ameircan people has NEVER faced this kind of Tyranny in its modern history... so most people are NOT used to think in these terms.

Oh and reading tea leaves will be a skill people need to get fast, as well as identifying our frieindly FBI who will not be that friendly... last thing they want is... any oposition

[Eloriel]

21. Well where the hell IS it?

LOL -- you know the routine, LINKS, we want the LINK!! Don't make us go looking (ugh, esp. me).

:evilgrin:

[nadinbrzezinski]

I posted the link lower in the thread

I had to go looking for it myself

;-)

[Wiley50]

22. Kesey taught me to do that long ago

Just look for the shiny black shoes.
Look, I'm an old hippy. And this looks like more fun than we had with Nixon.
Let me know what I can do

Wiley White

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. thanks Jamboi

and this gives me hope, but also tells me this will be EXTREMELY hard and we all have a job to do...

More than ever....

IT IS UP TO US FOLKS, UP TO US

[PeterPan]

6. indeed and i'm reporting for duty

[eleny]

8. Perhaps you could provide the urls for the threads

There may be folks who didn't see them.

Thanks, btw, for your brokering the discussion.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

9. like myself...

I found the one here, 2004 Election Results and Discussion. Are there more? It's going to take me a while to chew through this one.. HUGE thread.

[jamboi]

11. Good idea. I updated the first message in the topic w/ that. n/t

[Twist_U_Up]

10. Thanks for hooking this up Jamboi

It was a real treat and who knows maybe someday we can tell our great grand kids that we where chatting with the man responsible for the collapse of the biggest fraud in worlds history

[jamboi]

13. You mean the man who UNCOVERED the biggest fraud in US history. :-)n/t

[Twist_U_Up]

15. just fixed it

I`m just psyched lol

[Vote4Kerry]

12. Thanks, Jamboi! Excellent thread! (What can we do if Madsen comes back?)

Should we leave the original thread open and just check back to see if he posts anything new? Maybe we can encourage Wayne to start his own threads on DU in case he needs assistance (or, if Wayne wants, I can start a thread for him and he can comment--whatever makes it easier for us to communicate! Maybe we should talk to mods about this?

[jamboi]

14. I wrote to the Mods to ask them to lock that topic. What'd be really cool

is if someone would organize it as an FAQ style Q&A, cutting out all unanswered questions.

[Evening Star]

17. Here's a rough copy and paste

Pretty sure it's all there


Wayne Madsen Q&A on D.U. 11/28/04

Re: Voter Fraud Evidence of Bush/GOP Payoff for vote rigging 29.6 mil check written for vote fixing


Sorry for the delay... on the check --it is a bank check or cashier's check. Any EFT larger than $10K would be reported to FINCEN here in Tyson's Corner, VA. One for $29.6 would get automatically reported to CIA, NSA, FBI, IRS, DHS and others. They kept this to as paperless trail as possible.

I share your frustration. The Kerry campaign is not the brightest light in the chandelier on being prepared for this fraud. You need to do something like the MeetUps. Organize. Petitions to the media & member of congress, news conferences with losing local Democratic candidates who may have been caught up in the fraud. Force the lazy corporate controlled media to pay attention but don't get arrested and clobbered around in the process. For Fox News: "If it bleeds, it leads."


There is a possibility that the vote was fixed in NC also and Gaston County is suspicious -- but the scam I'm looking at that involved paying techs to rig the vote was said to definitely involve FL, TX, OH and CA. There may have been other states involved. But the info I received definitely mentioned these Big 4 states.


We are trying to get this story out and have a criminal investigation started to block the Ohio recert on Friday and the meeting of the Electoral College

They used Texas to pad their national margin (the 3+ million votes). They used California for the same thing. Any unusual activity/behavior noticed at any polling place in Texas should be reported. I am forwarding complaints I'm receiving now to Democratic Party and Kerry campaign people.

I have been meeting with Kerry campaign and Democratic Party people here this weekend. As for me, I've taken on the Bushes and Karl Rove for years. I appeared on Greg Palast's "Bush Family Fortunes" and explained how the Bush Family uses their office to enrich themselves and their buddies. I'm not afraid of them at all. But I do have protection by my two pals: "Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson." Unlike the person whose name I'm using as a screen name, Danny Casolaro, I trust no one except my friends, and I take another look at them from time to time.

That's right -- this check likely generated bundles of cash used for the pay outs. The Bushes like to deal in suitcases of cash as do their friends the Saudis.


This came to me because of my ongoing work investigating 911 -- this info came as a result of a probe into Saudi money in Texas. It was fitting that my first source and I met at Ground Zero. This effort is as much for those who died that day as for those of us who have been left to deal with the perpetrators of that crime.

I have a color digital copy of the check. It is real, right down to anti-forgery features. I have refrained from posting it right now because at this stage the Rove types would doctor it and point to the fake version as proof of a forgery. I'm very aware what the right wing bloggers did to 60 Minutes. They may have merely cleaned up the documents for TV (I've seen that done at other networks). But the right jumped all over the docs and discredited Bill Burkett (who is solid) and Dan Rather.


The chances that a third rate burglary at the Watergate would bring down an administration were about a 4 out of 100 in 1972. These numbers should change but we had a much different kind of news media in 72 and 73. So this is going to be a rough ride.


Some with those agencies have already offered their help to trace the money. I knew I could count on my old "buddies." CIA, FBI, FINEC etc.


I communicated with someone who was aware of the project. That person definitely knew about those 4 states. There may have been others but the contact was not in a position to know about other states. But it can't be ruled out.

My leads on that are that the counties and precincts were where there were unspecified "security actions" ordered by phony FBI and DHS people. This cleared the way for the techies to perform their "fixes." What I've also been told is that some non-US techies were involved.

Keith probably doesn't get out of that bunker in Secaucus, NJ very often. Also, being an ESPN sportscaster may not have been the best experience to judge such a long lead investigative story.







Q: I believe one of your correspondents passed along my concern that this may be a set-up similar to the Rather and Hatfield set ups. I know you're not exactly naive, but you DO realize the Rather thing was a set-up, don't you (not necessarily targeting Rather specifically). Remember, one of the key ingredients is a lot of TRUTH, with enough falsehood to sink the story and make the lack of credibility the story. Other than your checks and other documents, how are you guarding against this and/or sure that you're not the target of another set-up?

SECOND --

The real reason that I and several others who have been working on this voting machine issue for two years now are skeptical of this whole storyline is that (1) it's so highly improbable from a logistics standpoint, based on your description and (2) it's not necessary -- those systems are riggable from inside AND via modem (or wireless) in real time. It's just not necessary. Why would they dream up a stunt like this, with all its potential for discovery, leaks, etc., when it's just NOT necessary?

A: The Bushes seldom deviate from their m.o., which is to use pass throughs, shell companies, and large amounts of money to get what they want. Yes, there is a lead on gaining access through modems. But that is where I have to be careful. The name I have connected with that is well known and he has sued journalists in the past for libel.

I've been meeting with the Dems and Kerry folks all this weekend here in DC

Not sure about FISX Group.
Baker a very real possibility though. Votes grabbed in FL were statewide, but especially the more populated counties where the padding could go virtually unnoticed.

Techies: Not heard about Canadians, but Mexicans, Brazilians and Russians

I just don't get the feeling that Kerry and the big shots have any master plan. But there are other Dems and Kerry people working on this angle of the story and they've been supportive.

Mandate: Yes, Bush was real sure of himself, like a thief is when he knows he got away with a bank heist.

Those 17000 lawyers called up were mostly business lawyers, public policy types, etc. This needed criminal attorneys. I don't get a feeling that is what they planned for.

Since the Bushes destroy their opponents, I am relying on getting the technical details of the rigging. The sources have done their jobs by passing on this information in good faith. I can't expect them to identify themselves.

Carlyle? Not that I've discovered but Five Star Investments was set up when Daddy Bush was President for some very specific reasons that he knows about. He is very much involved in this affair.

Q: Just curious about this purge of the CIA. Seems to me some of those folks must be mighty P.O.'d. Also seems to me some of them would know this election is tainted and have the means to prove it.

Any chance at all that there might be an "arrangement" for some info to be discovered "accidentally"?

edit: pardon my manners. Thank you.

A: CIA: Yes, meetings are on schedule

Q: Sources talking to the Feds?

A: They dare not talk to the Feds -- the FBI may be involved in this (not all of them but that part that constantly serves as cover up artists for Bush). The state officials in Ohio are mostly Republicans -- a Taft, Inc. state. Florida - well that is Jeb's personal banana republic. Texas - N/A. That leaves California where the Dems still control some statewide offices.

What we need is Kiev. There was an anti-vote fraud rally held a week ago Friday in Lafayette Park in front of the White House. 30 people, incl media were there. Media consisted of Al Arabiya and Pacifica.


Amway: I have not looked into that but Amway, Unification Church, Hudson, Coors, Olin, Scaife and all those kooks are involved in this administration.

Yes, its their m.o. to screw those who have the least resources to challenge the disenfranchisement. Ask the African Americans in Florida and Georgia. This happened to them in 2000, 2002 and this year. Cynthia McKinney gets beaten in her mostly African American district in 2002 primary where e-voting was used and comes roarig back this year. She was being punished in 2002 for what she said about GWB and 911.

Hopsicker: I know his work but have not been in contact -- we've been working on some similar stories over the years though

I already have this linked to the White House, actually 2 White Houses: Bush I and Bush II


Fisher:
My latest information is that there is a possible tie-in. I've asked someone to check it out on the ground in FL and MI

Randi Rhodes:
No, but I'd be happy to talk to her. I can be contacted at "mailto: [e-mail]"

International:
Hey, they picked up this story in Vanuatu!!!

The Bin Ladens and Bushes go together like Sears & Roebuck, Captain & Tennile and for the really old timers Horn & Hardart

What I can tell you is that coders in Brazil were used to modify certain software. If anyone can check with the experts if any of these e voting firms were using outsourced programmers, that would be useful info

Q: Bin Ladens ; I know of one huge oil company with ties to them I just cannot say it. I honestly wish I could. I do know that money played heavily with this association and this particular company has ties going back many years since he was gov of texas and they play the conservs well, it's a bit of a joke considering the occupation to many but ignored because the money is good....they also have many outlets that have progressed through the years, not very typical of most that I know..

I cannot offer up names. I am sorry..


Madsen: I know for the same reason I can't disclose any sources...those SOBs down there in Texas have ruined friends of mine for taking on the Bushes.

But do trust funds that are awash in Saudi money that have been used in the past for political purposes by the Bushes that cut a check for $29.6 million on Oct 22 2004 mean the Saudis are interested in buying shopping malls in Texas? In this case, sources that are identified will be dead. I've had enough of Americans being killed by these Bush SOBs: 3000 on 911 and over 1300 in Iraq are quite enough. But I know Karl Rove would like to know who's talking.


DNC: Pretty sad outfit -- they can't even hire a decent Karl Rove type. A "Karl Rove who likes dogs and kids, brakes for animals, but hates Republicans."

Code: This is still at the level of following the money trail to the perps..not there yet
And that is why I am trying to protect their identities. These people have already done more than could be expected considering who they are up against. Now its up to the independent media to get to the bottom of this
Sources: And that is why I am trying to protect their identities. These people have already done more than could be expected considering who they are up against. Now its up to the independent media to get to the bottom of this

[jamboi]

19. You rock!!! n/t

[Evening Star]

23. No,,you rock! lol...thanks jamboi,,,g'night (eom)

[life_long_dem]

26. Thanks, Evening Star.

I was following along with the original thread. Reading it again in a condensed post really makes it look like an interview.

Thanks again.

[Vote4Kerry]

29. Leave thread unchanged..What if Wayne wants to look at it for info?

I think that we should leave the thread as is..What if Wayne wants to come back to see what DUers have posted? There might be valuable information in these threads that he can use! We need to be smart about this!

[jamboi]

16. Oh, I don't doubt he'll be back! Now he has enough posts to be able to

post his own topics which he couldn't do when he first came on tonight. So he may work with us to organize further Topics and research.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Civil Disobedience thread found here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2761044

Just kick it around for some ideas and add to it, as to how to go from here, this is part of our job... and how we get around the damn media to get the pressure on the damn media

[Eloriel]

24. Fabulous. thanks -- ignore my upthread post n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. no prob

[jamboi]

20. PLEASE GO NOMINATE THAT THREAD FOR FRONT PAGE! n/t

[crispini]

25. Cut n Paste summary of Madsen thread

here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x87727

Wups, duplicate work. Didn't read this thread first. Oh well, that happens sometimes. :D

[Woo]

28. What I Learned?

The most important thing I learned from the Madsen Q&A is that we don't have much time...

I also just finished reading the Jesse Jackson transcript thread -- Both Madsen and Jackson recommend the same course of action for large part of us who can't offer much in special skills --

Rise Up...Organize -- Meetup -- we don't have much time, 3-4 days -- maybe?

I haven't got any money -- I don't have the patience to play on google researching all day -- but I'm ready to go...

It's time to organize folks --
I'm in TN
(the very small blue chunk in the corner) and can be reached at [e-mail]

I don't have it all worked out yet -- but maybe tomorrow a few of us can work this out...
Maybe divide into regions like TN, AR, MS, AL,KY would belong to one region for example --with the four large states in question(OH,FL, TX, CA) each having their own point of contact -- then all coordinate through one information source.

The only thing I know about so far is the rally this coming Sat in OH -- well we need people to start traveling -- I'll put a can of oil in my rattle trap and go where ever...

I don't know much about this stuff -- someone contact me --

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Act LOCALLY

and have a demonstration or two...

We need this pressure NATIONALLY, and ALL OVER THE PLACE

Oh and read that post on civil disobedience, trust me just me I just scratched the surface

[jamboi]

30. crispini's rough transcript reposted here...

Madsen Q&A Thread Summary
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 10:13 PM by crispini


I was doing this for myself anyway, thought I'd share.

MarcelP (3 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:16 PM
Response to Original message

15. NC clean? Hispanic vote in FL, CA, TX.

Wayne,
Thanks for all the info. FL, CA, TX, and Ohio I get, but what about NC--ignatzmous makes NC look very fishy, both by the difference in counts by different machines (with same demographics for the populations) and by difference between early/absentee vote and poll vote in Kerry race vs. other races. Do you think NC is clean?
(By the way, problems with figuring out the Hispanic vote in FL, TX, CA have been giving experts fits--see Carolab's thread, "44 Percent of Hispanics Voted for Bush, Highly Improbable." Posted Nov. 24)

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #15

66. NC

There is a possibility that the vote was fixed in NC also and Gaston County is suspicious -- but the scam I'm looking at that involved paying techs to rig the vote was said to definitely involve FL, TX, OH and CA. There may have been other states involved. But the info I received definitely mentioned these Big 4 states.

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Woo (100 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #19

34. Yikes...

I hope Mr. Madsen is not a Kansas fan

If I may -- possibly an overview of the findings he has released to date(someone else can do this, aha, maybe jamboi, sorry I just twist knobs), so folks who haven't given this much of a look can be up to date without reading through 1000 post --

My question is probably one that can't be answered ... but everyone wants to know -- what's the timeline? -- is there a glimmer of hope to get this out before the inauguration?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #34

72. Timeline

We are trying to get this story out and have a criminal investigation started to block the Ohio recert on Friday and the meeting of the Electoral College
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Donailin (57 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #72

87. Thanks, Wayne

Good to see you here. You have the total support of the commoners, but do you have the financial or moral support of the candidate we are fighting for? It would be nice to know. . .

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #87

94. Support

I have been meeting with Kerry campaign and Democratic Party people here this weekend. As for me, I've taken on the Bushes and Karl Rove for years. I appeared on Greg Palast's "Bush Family Fortunes" and explained how the Bush Family uses their office to enrich themselves and their buddies. I'm not afraid of them at all. But I do have protection by my two pals: "Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson." Unlike the person whose name I'm using as a screen name, Danny Casolaro, I trust no one except my friends, and I take another look at them from time to time.
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #94

117. Glad your being cautious. How do you know your sources are credible?

And, have you considered contacting Dan Rather? He's leaving CBS shortly and may be a receptive voice.

Thanks again.

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #117

273. sources

sources are risking their loves by talking
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KaryninMiami (111 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:19 PM
Response to Original message

20. What can we do to support your efforts?

Obviously you are as keenly aware as we are, of the time issue. One of the things that many of us are frustrated about, is not being able to do enough. Or, we feel that our efforts are going nowhere because of the mainstream media lock-down or what appears to be a lack of interest. Any suggestions on what we should be doing (saw your post in BBV and here regarding Foreign poll workers)?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #20

80. Response

I share your frustration. The Kerry campaign is not the brightest light in the chandelier on being prepared for this fraud. You need to do something like the MeetUps. Organize. Petitions to the media & member of congress, news conferences with losing local Democratic candidates who may have been caught up in the fraud. Force the lazy corporate controlled media to pay attention but don't get arrested and clobbered around in the process. For Fox News: "If it bleeds, it leads."
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ZRB (48 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:23 PM
Response to Original message

26. G'day Casolaro

I admire your bravery.

My question is: how confident are you that your sources are genuine, and are telling you the truth?

Thank you, and be careful.

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #26

60. Sources

My sources are very brave for coming forth but they also know what the risks are if they are exposed. My major job other than reporting this story is protecting them.
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Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #35

54. I'm here

Sorry for the delay... on the check --it is a bank check or cashier's check. Any EFT larger than $10K would be reported to FINCEN here in Tyson's Corner, VA. One for $29.6 would get automatically reported to CIA, NSA, FBI, IRS, DHS and others. They kept this to as paperless trail as possible.

Liberty Belle (138 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #54

65. Are you confident check is genuine?

Welcome to DU!

Is there any chance that this was a stolen or forged check? Have you actually seen this check, and do you have a photo as evidence?
What evidence do you have linking the company that wrote the check (the one Canada suspects of being involved in the Nigeria Internet scam) to the GOP or the Bush campaign? Is it possible that the Nigeria scam was actually set up to raise money for rigging the election?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #65

111. Check

I have a color digital copy of the check. It is real, right down to anti-forgery features. I have refrained from posting it right now because at this stage the Rove types would doctor it and point to the fake version as proof of a forgery. I'm very aware what the right wing bloggers did to 60 Minutes. They may have merely cleaned up the documents for TV (I've seen that done at other networks). But the right jumped all over the docs and discredited Bill Burkett (who is solid) and Dan Rather.
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #96

106. The account these funds were deposited into would have smaller payouts to X that could be traced.

Is anyone working on that? Are Government officials (the legit ones) investigating this?

Bush is losing friends at the CIA I would imagine we'd have some allies right now? Additionally the House Judiciary committee Dems would be interested in any info you have.

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #106

118. Intel agencies

Some with those agencies have already offered their help to trace the money. I knew I could count on my old "buddies."
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #54

89. May I ask why your sources chose you to investigate?

Curious as to how you became a contact.

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #89

104. Investigation

This came to me because of my ongoing work investigating 911 -- this info came as a result of a probe into Saudi money in Texas. It was fitting that my first source and I met at Ground Zero. This effort is as much for those who died that day as for those of us who have been left to deal with the perpetrators of that crime.

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NY lib NY (19 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:24 PM
Response to Original message

30. From 1 to 100...

One being the least and 100 being the most how sure are you that your evidence will come to the light of day and overturn the election?

thank you for giving me hope again!!!

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #30

114. Chances

The chances that a third rate burglary at the Watergate would bring down an administration were about a 4 out of 100 in 1972. These numbers should change but we had a much different kind of news media in 72 and 73. So this is going to be a rough ride.
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Ducks In A Row (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #54

86. and would I be correct in thinking that one big check...

Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 09:58 PM by Ducks In A Row
would be more "paperless as possible" than a flurry of checks written to various parties? So just one huge check that they hope fly under the radar.

thanks again

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #86

96. Check

That's right -- this check likely generated bundles of cash used for the pay outs. The Bushes like to deal in suitcases of cash as do their friends the Saudis.
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sparosnare (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:26 PM
Response to Original message

36. Casolaro - I live in Texas

and was surprised you mentioned this state as part of the "fix". Is there anything I can do from here? Just point me in the right direction and I'll do what I can. Thank you so much for all of your hard work!

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #36

85. Texas

They used Texas to pad their national margin (the 3+ million votes). They used California for the same thing. Any unusual activity/behavior noticed at any polling place in Texas should be reported. I am forwarding complaints I'm receiving now to Democratic Party and Kerry campaign people.

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propagandafreegal (10 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #47

74. Hold on! I live in NYC and there was purging of the voter roles ro...

I know two people that were registered and when they went to vote were not on the list and had to complete provisional ballots.

One was my cousin and another was my friend's mom who had been voting at the same polling place for twenty years.

The Republicans covered all their bases in diminishing the democratic vote. Both people I mentioned were African American.

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #47

124. NYC

I think NYC went smoothly. Tammany Hall has not died out just yet. Those old Democrats are smarter than to allow Diebold and ES&S in their domain.
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Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #48

133. Counties

My leads on that are that the counties and precincts were where there were unspecified "security actions" ordered by phony FBI and DHS people. This cleared the way for the techies to perform their "fixes." What I've also been told is that some non-US techies were involved.

Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #133

143. Non US techies, meaning Canadian?
In other words, they would blend in?

Thanks.

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #143

146. techies

Not heard about Canadians, but Mexicans, Brazilians and Russians
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ooglymoogly (230 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:37 PM
Response to Original message

51. hi wayn

Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 10:18 PM by ooglymoogly
i read k olberman blog and got a little sad that he seemed to be ragging on you. what about his point that why would k. r. tell his soldiers about the large and exact amount of money. i read it early afternoon before your broadcast and am not completely sure of my facts. we are all rooting for you. thank you for answering questions

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #51

136. Olbermann

Keith probably doesn't get out of that bunker in Secaucus, NJ very often. Also, being an ESPN sportscaster may not have been the best experience to judge such a long lead investigative story.
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:49 PM
Response to Original message

70. Any connection between Five Star Investments

Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 10:18 PM by Carolab
and FISX Group Limited?

Or between Equity Financial Trust and FISX Group Limited?

Also, any connection(s) to Caryle or Baker-Botts? Or Worldsec? Or Appleby Spurling and Kempe?

One more, in Florida, was the rigging targeted to certain counties/precincts or did it occur all over? I ask because of the Miami Herald's independent count in north Florida of 17,000 votes.

Thank you.

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #70

151. connection

Not sure about FISX Group.

Baker a very real possibility though. Votes grabbed in FL were statewide, but especially the more populated counties where the padding could go virtually unnoticed.
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Twist_U_Up (19 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:51 PM
Response to Original message

75. Has JJ or anyone from the DNC offered any assistance ?

a wink for a reply and I`m happy

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #75

145. assistance

I've been meeting with the Dems and Kerry folks all this weekend here in DC
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:55 PM
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81. My question
is twofold.

I believe one of your correspondents passed along my concern that this may be a set-up similar to the Rather and Hatfield set ups. I know you're not exactly naive, but you DO realize the Rather thing was a set-up, don't you (not necessarily targeting Rather specifically). Remember, one of the key ingredients is a lot of TRUTH, with enough falsehood to sink the story and make the lack of credibility the story. Other than your checks and other documents, how are you guarding against this and/or sure that you're not the target of another set-up?

SECOND --

The real reason that I and several others who have been working on this voting machine issue for two years now are skeptical of this whole storyline is that (1) it's so highly improbable from a logistics standpoint, based on your description and (2) it's not necessary -- those systems are riggable from inside AND via modem (or wireless) in real time. It's just not necessary. Why would they dream up a stunt like this, with all its potential for discovery, leaks, etc., when it's just NOT necessary?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #81

140. Bush m.o.

The Bushes seldom deviate from their m.o., which is to use pass throughs, shell companies, and large amounts of money to get what they want. Yes, there is a lead on gaining access through modems. But that is where I have to be careful. The name I have connected with that is well known and he has sued journalists in the past for libel.
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burn the bush (133 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:07 PM
Response to Original message

99. is this investigation the reason why the dnc & all have been quiet?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #99

211. DNC

Pretty sad outfit -- they can't even hire a decent Karl Rove type. A "Karl Rove who likes dogs and kids, brakes for animals, but hates Republicans."

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chiffon (221 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #99

155. Hopefully they offered SOME support.

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #155

185. support

support was offered and was appreciated

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ahyums (248 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:08 PM
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105. One more quick question (I don't think it's been asked yet)

There has been a lot of conjecture on here about the Kerry Campaign and/or Senior Democrats in general working "under the radar" on this, to your knowledge, and if you can answer without disturbing someone's secrecy is this the case?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #105

156. Radar

I just don't get the feeling that Kerry and the big shots have any master plan. But there are other Dems and Kerry people working on this angle of the story and they've been supportive.

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MRKARNO (15 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:09 PM
Response to Original message

108. Wayne, question on why Bush was so eager to declare a "mandate"

Is the reason that Bush was so eager to declare a mandate at his 11-4-04 (I think) press conference because he knew he didnt have one and that his padding efforts were successful?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #108

160. Mandate

Yes, Bush was real sure of himself, like a thief is when he knows he got away with a bank heist.
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buddysmellgood (104 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:13 PM
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113. Either your sources will have to come forward or the source will need to
give explicit detail that shows how the vote was hacked. We need information that only the hackers would have. Otherwise, your story is going to look like one more conspiracy theory.

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #113

176. Sources

Since the Bushes destroy their opponents, I am relying on getting the technical details of the rigging. The sources have done their jobs by passing on this information in good faith. I can't expect them to identify themselves.

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LiberalAndProud (652 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:57 PM
Original message
Have you uncovered any of the technical details?

Sample code for instance?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:24 PM
Response to Original message

267. code

This is still at the level of following the money trail to the perps..not there yet.
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Twist_U_Up (19 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:20 PM
Response to Original message

121. Great radio this afternoon

It boosted alot of the naysayers confidence in our fight
on DU and here
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/28/2147/5748

check out the poll
Keep up the fight and STAY SAFE

P.S. When you bring Bush down ..I will nominate you to replace him

Madsen For President

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #121

168. Thanks

My platform in free beer for everyone but the Neo Cons. Beer is not allowed in Camp X Ray, Guantanamo Bay.

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thebeckerman (2 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #168

182. How Can We Be Sure This is Verifiable?

My question is this: how can we be sure this is verifiable? I want to publicize the story, but don't know how I can be sure it's true. Can you give us some help on this?

My biggest question is why would these guys be telling you this, since if everything you say is true, these guys could be killed for speaking to you?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #182

219. Yes

And that is why I am trying to protect their identities. These people have already done more than could be expected considering who they are up against. Now its up to the independent media to get to the bottom of this.
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:24 PM
Response to Original message

128. You said the Kerry campaign was not the brightest in being prepared

do you have a sense of what they WERE prepared for? Were they prepared more for recounts and suppression than actual fraud?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #128

165. prepared


Those 17000 lawyers called up were mostly business lawyers, public policy types, etc. This needed criminal attorneys. I don't get a feeling that is what they planned for.


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MRKARNO (15 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #165

171. Carlyle Group involvement?


Was the Carlyle Group involved in any way shape or form?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #171

181. Carlyle


Not that I've discovered but Five Star Investments was set up when Daddy Bush was President for some very specific reasons that he knows about. He is very much involved in this affair.

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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:25 PM
Response to Original message

129. CIA spooks know where bodies are buried, will they tell any tales?

Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 10:27 PM by Straight Shooter
Just curious about this purge of the CIA. Seems to me some of those folks must be mighty P.O.'d. Also seems to me some of them would know this election is tainted and have the means to prove it.

Any chance at all that there might be an "arrangement" for some info to be discovered "accidentally"?

edit: pardon my manners. Thank you.


Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #129

188. CIA


Yes, meetings are on schedule

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wattsupamerica (5 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:29 PM
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134. Is their a connection to Sproul and Associats or Nathen Sproul AZ Rep Prty

Sproul & Associates, was a major RNC get out the vote effort, they were paid about 2.8 million in political consulting dollars and of that (possibly separate of that) some 890,000 in funds for voter registration by the RNC directly. This organization has been discovered to have actually destroyed voter registration forms (with employees saying that they were directed to do so by leadership the actual numbers have been estimated into the thousands in just one state) that were written so the person on the form may be a democrat in about a half a dozen states all of them “swing” states in the 2004 election. The act of destroying these forms is a felony both nationally and in most states. The question is did the RNC know of these actions as they paid this criminal nation wide voter fraud organization that was directed by a former head of the RNC in Arizona, if so then an entire political party with powers to run national candidates and hold office is possibly criminally liable for voter fraud on a nation wide basis.

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #134

265. Arizona


There are GOPers in Arizona who are dodgy to say the least. That's why I mentioned the Falcone bit in the article. That was gun running money that got to Bush-Cheney 2000 from Falcone interests.

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Clark2008 (146 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:32 PM
Response to Original message

139. Are your sources talking to the feds


and if not, why not?

And, if so, will the feds at least admit they are investigating (they have to)?

As a follow up: if the sources aren't talking to the feds for fear of a Bush cover-up and/or retaliation, can they talk to an international organization, such as the wing of the UN that overseas election fraud?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #139

195. talking


They dare not talk to the Feds -- the FBI may be involved in this (not all of them but that part that constantly serves as cover up artists for Bush). The state officials in Ohio are mostly Republicans -- a Taft, Inc. state. Florida - well that is Jeb's personal banana republic. Texas - N/A. That leaves California where the Dems still control some statewide offices.

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AuntPatsy (780 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:38 PM
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150. Hello and welcome, your one brave soul...I have no question but


I do know something but it might be small potatoes I don't know. I know in South Texas that many voters which would have been seen as sure Kerry ones considering their financial situations were not allowed to vote. How many I have no clue...

All I can relate is what a young girl that is friends of my daughter told me, she and others she knew were registered voters and she did in fact vote in the last election of 2000, but when she and some of her family members went to vote in the same preceint mind you as 2000, there was no record of her, or so they said and told others the same..

I am not being rude, but most of these cases that I have heard about were welfare ones so to speak. So I just wonder if perhaps they did indeed use their votes for Bush without the knowledge of the true voters since many didn't know they could vote there at that time, the workers never informed these voters that their were alternate ways to vote until they could be checked for accuracys..

Some of these people have the same address, DL matched etc...but they were pushed away..

I don't know how much this is helpful...thats all I can really relate...

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #150

228. vote purge


Yes, its their m.o. to screw those who have the least resources to challenge the disenfranchisement. Ask the African Americans in Florida and Georgia. This happened to them in 2000, 2002 and this year. Cynthia McKinney gets beaten in her mostly African American district in 2002 primary where e-voting was used and comes roarig back this year. She was being punished in 2002 for what she said about GWB and 911.

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kk897 (156 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:44 PM
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163. Question about Extreme Right Wing involvement?


I'm really sorry to do this... I already asked upthread, but it seemed like maybe my question got skipped. That's okay... just want to know if you've read it, at least. Here it is again:

Mr. Madsen, have you investigated the involvement of the extremist wingers such as the Sovereign Citizens movement in this election?

I think that the largest contributor to Ohio's 2004 GOP campaigns, David Brennan, and his White Hat Management (manages charter schools and homeschool programs, HQ in Akron) company, had a hand in election fraud. According to watchdog groups, Sovereign Citizens are working toward gaining a foothold in County governments (the highest level of government they acknowledge), including the strategy of getting appointments to Boards of Elections and County Commissioners' offices. They also often impersonate various kinds of enforcement agents in order to intimidate people. When you follow the money, it leads up to the likes of Hudson Institute and Amway. There's also a connection to Kenneth Blackwell.

I detail some of this in the thread I put below... I've been looking further, on my own, since DUers didn't seem particularly interested,but I do want to bring it to someone's attention. Just in case.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

Take care, and thank you so much for your courage and work

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #163

216. Amway


I have not looked into that but Amway, Unification Church, Hudson, Coors, Olin, Scaife and all those kooks are involved in this administration.

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Ugnmoose (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 10:56 PM
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196. What do you think of allegations raised in Crossing the Rubicon?


And do you think the American people will ever see anyone held accountable?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #196

205. Kiev


What we need is Kiev. There was an anti-vote fraud rally held a week ago Friday in Lafayette Park in front of the White House. 30 people, incl media were there. Media consisted of Al Arabiya and Pacifica.
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shraby (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #206

215. Will you be able to connect it to the white house
directly, or will they be able to weasel out of it?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #215

239. WH


I already have this linked to the White House, actually 2 White Houses: Bush I and Bush II
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Evening Star (30 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:06 PM
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218. Daniel Hopsicker? Have you thought about teaming up with Hopsicker?

He might be of some assistance in Florida as well.

He's been around the block a few times down here in "Terrorland"

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #218

229. Hopsicker


I know his work but have not been in contact -- we've been working on some similar stories over the years though.

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helderheid (104 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #229

236. I have asked this before and I know you're swamped


But please let me know if you've been in touch with Randi Rhodes or anyone at Air America Radio?

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #236

252. Randi Rhodes


No, but I'd be happy to talk to her. I can be contacted at [e-mail]

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230. Fisher story tied in at all?


Are you familiar with the Fisher story? Is there anything at all to Baypoint schools and the CyberNet CEO that died recently?
Trudyco


Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #230

245. Fisher


My latest information is that there is a possible tie-in. I've asked someone to check it out on the ground in FL and MI.
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246. International press


We could send press releases world wide. It costs about $600 for a good list of world wide press addresses (e, snail, and fax). I'm willing to pitch in a few bucks.


Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #246

254. International


Hey, they picked up this story in Vanuatu!!!

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genius (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:18 PM
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248. I noticed the money connection also to Osama.


I've had a theory that Bush and Osama were still in league. The planes did not bring down the WTC. Also I don't believe Osama is running through the caves connected to a dialysis machine. Do you have any insights on this?


Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #248

288. Bin Laden

The Bin Ladens and Bushes go together like Sears & Roebuck, Captain & Tennile and for the really old timers Horn & Hardart

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standingup (6 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:23 PM
Response to Original message

264. Mr. Madsen


There have been prior instances of software being replaced with non-certified versions or versions with known issues. Is there any chance this happened again in this election cycle?

Thanks

Casolaro (47 posts) Sun Nov-28-04 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #264

286. Code

What I can tell you is that coders in Brazil were used to modify certain software. If anyone can check with the experts if any of these e voting firms were using outsourced programmers, that would be useful info

[Woo]

32. A Kick...and a goodnight to all...n/t

[democraticinsurgent]

33. kick

this is way too important to leave in the basement...everybody read this!

[seito]

34. Thanks for putting this together n/t

[NVMojo]

35. kick

kick

[Sandy_0]

36. I know that we all would like this to be true,

but there is a real danger here. Our being even remotely involved in this could cost us all of our credibility.

Do you realize that "Castelero" could be setting you up to look like a bunch of "crazies" -- He has given no direct answers, no evidence and his tale grows more and more like a bad novel. He's made you feel that you are "in" on a big plot to save Democracy and you are finding it satisfying and exciting.

I'm not debunking his story. I'm not convinced either. Just be careful that none of you cost us our credibility. How do you know for certain that Castelero is Madsen? Be careful. My usual blog considers me the conspiracy theorist of the blog and I'm not buying this story. You guys don't know me because I've only started posting here a short time ago. Just be careful. Don't let yourselves be too gullible. Be careful. Have patience, wait a few days and see if any of it prooves out before you start spouting his story. Be careful. . . If this is NOT Madsen, what would someone want to accomplish by talking here?

If we lose our credibility it will undermine Bev Harris and all the others working on exposing the voter fraud. Guilt by association. Be a bit more skeptical and be careful. He's sure getting a lot of information here.

[jamboi]

37. Every allegation should be checked out, yes.That's just reasonable

But we should not be in the position where we are so afraid to speak our minds that we can not even talk openly about allegations of whatever kind. Freedom of speech. That we have ended up so paranoid shows you just how shellacked we've been by the righties. Stand up for freedom and be ready to investigate stories. If they turn out wrong, reject them. If right embrace them. But don't be afraid to look at them.

[IAMREALITY]

38. Whewwwwww. Thank God You Posted That

Not Oneeeee Person has said that yet. Thank God you did. We were all at risk of putting this story on bumper stickers on our cars and parading in public singing the story out loud claiming that we will bet anything, nay, we will be EVERYTHING on the fact this story is true. Ya know, Cause we at DU know nothing about responsibility, We are just reckless and jump on everything we have thrown at us. Thank god we have these 1 day old posters though to keep us in line, or DU would lose everything!

Thank you, Oh thank you so much for saving DU!

(heavy sarcastic tone due simply to redundance and disgust)

[jdj]

40. It's one more stop on the whisper campaign

I don't think it will undermine anything, because there have been SO MANY "glitches" reported in local news, there have been at least 10 or 15 stories reported in Charlotte alone, and NC isn't even one of the states making national news

[jamboi]

41. NC reportedly a disaster area! Should be better covered by MSM n/t

[Syd_]

39. I just went back and checked an article

that Madsen wrote about Wesley Clark. I looked at that particular article because I knew a great deal about the facts. It doesn't matter whether you supported Clark or hated him. My point is that even if the basic premise of the article is valid, it is filled with disinformation, some of it small stuff, some of it big and easily refuted.

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen09182003.html

Here is one small example:

"Now enter "Arkansan" Wesley Clark. Like Hillary Clinton, Clark is a Chicago transplant to Little Rock" Well, if moving from Chicago to Little Rock at age three means Clark is a transplant, then it is a fact, but it's really twisted. The story about British General Michael Jackson is true except for the fact that Clark had given Jackson orders to prevent the Russions from taking over the airport by parking large vehicles on the runway. That's hardly a provocative action. The action was carried out by others and prevented the division of another country as Germany had been. General Hugh Shelton was not involved in the incident at all. During the primaries Shelton was military advisor for John Edwards. The fact is that Shelton had disliked Clark for many years. The reason for Shelton's antipathy for Clark was Clark's going over his head directly to Clinton for orders.

That's enough to illustrate my point. IF Clark was part of a Neocon plot, then it could have been approached more responsibly. I am not defending Clark. I don't know. The more general theory is that Clark was promoted by the DNC to knock out Dean in order to benefit the insiders. I don't know what the truth is. I do know that I wouldn't trust Madsen to get things straight, responsibly.

What you guys do is up to you, not me. I am concerned about our losing our crediblity by supporting Madsen's theory prematurely.

[jamboi]

42. Anyone who's serious about organizing research on this plz join me here

New, Improved Madsen Research Project Strategy Thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=201

[jamboi]

43. Corrected Link for Madsen Research

Corrected Link for Madsen Research
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x6212

[Alizaryn]

44. This looks like it might relate

Voting errors tallied nationwide
By Brian C. Mooney, Globe Staff | December 1, 2004

More than 4,000 votes vanished without a trace into a computer's overloaded memory in one North Carolina county, and about a hundred paper ballots were thrown out by mistake in another. In Texas, a county needed help from a laboratory in Canada to unlock the memory of a touch-screen machine and unearth five dozen votes.

[mirandapriestly]

45. I saw that, interesting

needing help from a laboratory in Canada? and it's in Texas, that sounds like what he is talking about