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mountebank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:47 AM
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Madsen, fraud issue: Riverside Co. , CA probably a good place to look.
If CA was targetted for vote-rigging, Riverside Co. is a good place to go fishing. For a few reasons:

1) Their former registrar of voters, Mischelle Townsend, recently resigned, supposedly for family reasons, but clearly in the wake of impending lawsuits and scandals involving improperly taking money from a voting machine manufacturer (Sequoia) and not declaring her husband's profession (he worked for an electronic voting machine manufacturer). (For instance, see: DOWN FOR THE COUNT - Riverside County’s outspoken registrar was a national poster child for touchscreen voting, but problems with the machines may have just ended her career http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=1013&IssueNum=55)

2) A report (sorry - I can't find it but it used to be in the California forums and is probably on www.blackboxvoting.org) from a citizen poll monitor in Riverside described a VERY restrictive environment this election, with poll watchers forced to peer into tabulating rooms through plate-glass windows while numerous people without name tags accessed computers.

3) It's a large county - easy to hide votes. It's also heavily Republican (i.e. no one will be scrutinizing).

4) It's all electronic - not Diebold or ES&S, though, but Sequoia.

I, for one, was very curious about why Mischelle Townsend was always so vocal against Kevin Shelley's (CA's SoS's) call for a voter verified paper record. After all, the money to upgrade the system wouldn't be coming out of HER pocket. Well, maybe it would have after all....
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:52 AM
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1. Kicking it...
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 01:53 AM by Stand and Fight
I'm kicking this, and I hope it stays kicked, so that I can review it tomorrow. For now I've got to get to bed -- it's back to work tomorrow! Boo!!!

:kick:

:( Work is so boring, but thank God there's DU!!! ;)
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:25 AM
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7. I put links to all California county election results
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mountebank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:27 AM
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8. Wow. Nice work! n/t
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:52 AM
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2. Thanks for posting this!
If you have any information, here is Wayne's email:

WMadsen777@aol.com

Thanks again!
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:07 AM
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3. kick
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:11 AM
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4. kick again!!!
kick!!!
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mountebank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:12 AM
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5. I'll check in on this thread and post some more info tomorrow.
Mostly anecdotes about Townsend....
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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:17 AM
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6. Riverside, Ca is the fraud capital of the U.S.
This doesn't surprise me at all. The building and safety trucks used to have this little slogan on their bumpers:

"I can be bought, but I'm not cheap"

And, they weren't joking.



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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:33 AM
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9. Riverside, CA - this may be what you're thinking of.....
Transcript of April 21-22 2004 meeting of CA Voting Panel where Diebold gets feet held to fire

Testimony April 22, 2004 http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/vsptranscript0422.pdf


Art CASSEL from Riverside County, CALIFORNIA

Line 16, p. 73

16 On March 2nd of this year began the longest day of my
17 life. It's still continuing. We were at an election
18 party. I was working as a volunteer for a candidate in
19 the supervisorial election. We were at an election party.
20 It was very, very close to the registrar's office. And we
21 received a call from an observer in Temecula that had said
22 that the registrar of voters had suspended the count.
23 So we immediately jumped in the car and drove
24 over to the registrar's office. At that point, we were
25 told by the registrar that the count hadn't been

p. 74
1 suspended, in spite of the fact that we had been told
2 that -- the Temecula count center had said the count was
3 suspended. There was no activity going on in the count
4 room at that time except for the fact there were two
5 people sitting at a terminal. That terminal, as I later
6 learned, is connected by Ethernet to the county server.
7 It's the only place it goes.
8 Didn't know who the two gentlemen were. One was
9 wearing a white badge that appeared to be a county badge.
10 The other one was wearing a metal badge that we couldn't
11 read from that distance. The two men sitting at those --
12 the two men at those terminals were Mike Frontera, who we
13 later learned was the vice president of Sequoia, and a
14 gentleman by the name of Ed Campbell, who works for
15 Sequoia.
16 Other than the registrar of voters there was
17 nobody else in that room, and the registrar of voters paid
18 no attention whatsoever to these gentlemen being at that
19 terminal. At that point, the vote had already been
20 started counting. There were 47 out of 150 precincts
21 reported in.
22 These gentlemen were typing at the terminal. It
23 wasn't until later that we found out they were Sequoia
24 employees. There were no county employees over them,
25 watching them, or doing anything about them. We had a lot

p. 75
1 of concern about this happening at the time.
2 Ten days later we observed another Sequoia
3 employee with a flash card in his pocket enter that same
4 count room with an employee of the registrar of voters, go
5 over to the same terminal that I had seen Mr. Campbell and
6 Mr. Frontera on. This time it was Mr. Campbell.
7 Mr. Campbell was trying to get a flash card to
8 read in the terminal -- in the count room. He was put on
9 by password into the registrar of voter's system. I know
10 the splash screen. I had watched it for two days at that
11 point and I know the registrar's splash screen. He was
12 signed on. The Riverside county employee left, leaving
13 Mr. Campbell in there with his card. Mr. Campbell tried a
14 couple of drop-down screens on it. And after doing this
15 the system rejected him and booted him out back to
16 windows.
17 Mr. Campbell looked around, did not see anyone in
18 there other than himself, and immediately put in what was
19 the same password, or very, very close to the same
20 password because there was an odd stretch and it was only
21 four or five letters that were involved in the password.
22 Mr. Campbell tried this two more times on that terminal
23 with the same result, getting booted out of the system.
24 He moved to another terminal that was located next to it
25 and tried it two more times over there. Was unsuccessful

p. 76
1 there. Moved to a terminal that I could not see directly.
2 But he apparently tried it either one or two more times
3 before moving back to the original terminal.
4 At this point an employee of the registrar's came
5 in. He said something to her. She came over to the
6 screen, used two more drop-down menus, walked away. He
7 put the card in. The same box that came up when I was
8 watching them tally ballot cards came up at that point.
9 When that happened, Mr. Campbell turned, glared at myself,
10 and picked up his card and left the room. We later found
11 out he had left that afternoon for Denver with his card.
12 Security? Security? I don't think so. I
13 recommend to people now that as long as these DRE machines
14 are there, vote absentee. Absentees used to be the bane
15 of people running for office because they were tamperable.
16 They are now gold. They are hard copies of a person's
17 vote. And it's really sad that it isn't because they've
18 become better, it's because the bar has been lowered so
19 far. This is a constitutional issue. It's the right to
20 vote. And I'll be damned if I let the Constitution get
21 trampled on.
22 Thank you.
23 CHAIRPERSON KYLE: Any questions from the panel?
24 Thank you, Mr. Cassel.

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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:37 AM
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10. kick!
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:55 AM
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11. kick
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Dolphyn Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:17 AM
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12. Riverside Logic and Accuracy Test Report
Here's a very detailed report of an attempt to verify, before the election, that the Riverside machines would count the vote correctly. The test did not instill confidence: "overall the running of the test was still done in a way which did not allow the observers to confirm that the machines were running correctly."

http://www.exit.com/RiversideVoteTest/November04LAT.pdf

This document was linked from the forums at blackboxvoting.org, specifically here:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1&forum=DCForumID359&omm=2&viewmode=threaded
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 05:04 AM
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13. this is another link to that same site
Mr. Akin has been trying to get people out here in Riverside County California to take this voter fraud and secrecy seriously, in fact this last weekend he had a meeting in Moreno Valley Ca to discuss his findings, unfortunately I was unable to attend as I was in the hospital but he will add people in Riverside CA to his mailing list for future meetings I had him add my name.
http://www.exit.com/RiversideVoteTest/index.php
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:36 AM
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14. kick
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mountebank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:04 AM
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17. Mr. Akin - yes, that's who wrote the account I couldn't find.
Thanks! There's a PDF document somewhere with his detailed description of Election Day at Riverside Co.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:43 AM
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15. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:50 AM
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16. kick
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:56 PM
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18. Just talked to Madsen about this ..here's what he said:
Said he would forward this info to the right people
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mountebank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:05 PM
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22. Nice. Hope it turns up something good. n/t
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liberal al zib Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:43 PM
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19. Keep kicking guys, keep kicking. Wooho!! I am kicking and kicking.
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liberal al zib Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:45 PM
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20. Keep
Kicking guys, keep kicking. Woohoo!! I am kicking and Kicking
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bmoney07 Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:45 PM
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21. Kicked
Kicking
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mountebank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 02:12 AM
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23. Jeremiah Akin's report. MUST READ. Plus meet the new registrar.
While Mischelle Townsend may have been as corrupt as they come, it would be interesting to know how the new registrar of Riverside Co., Barbara Dunmore, did to improve transparency on Election Day. The short answer: poorly.

Here is an excerpt from a post by Steven Hertzberg, who, along with Jeremiah Akin, met with Barbara Dunmore over their concerns:

http://www.votewatch.us/Members/StevenHertzberg/report.2004-10-14.2718111861/view?searchterm=None

"In light of the above problems, it is clear that the only thing that has changed at the Riverside County Registrar of Voters office in the last seven months is the name on the business card of the Registrar. The process remains as transparent as a block wall."

They cite problems observing the "tally room" where computers are located and a totally secret process of delivery of the memory cards.

It can be seen that all their concerns were justified. Jeremiah Akin's Election Day report makes that clear enough:

I was greatly disappointed to find that when the result cartridges from polling places were brought to
the Registrar's office they were delivered to the back of the office and brought into a room that no
observer was allowed to go into or look into. In this room the sealed security pouches that contained
results cartridges were opened (out of public sight) and the results cartridges were transferred to
trays and then the trays were brought into the count room. The paper ballots from the polling
locations were also delivered to the back of the Registrar's office and brought into a back room.
Once they entered the back room no public observer was able to see them. They were never brought
out of the back room and into the public's sight. Once the ballots went into the back room at the
Registrar's office the public did not have any means of seeing what happened to them. (It should be
noted that over 250 ballots were not counted during the March 2nd , 2004 primary election. Without
the recount requested by Linda Soubirous these ballots would not have been discovered.) Since
ballots have been left out of the count in the recent past, it is entirely possible that ballots were left
out this time. Since the public was not allowed to see how the ballots were managed once they
disappeared into the back room, the public can not be sure that there weren’t ballots left out of this
elections count. The Registrar of Voters’ office gains nothing by not allowing the public to view
how ballots are managed once they are brought into the Registrar’s building. There is no
justification for managing ballots in the manner that the Registrar of Voters did on election night.

snip

Another observer reported to me seeing staff members flip their
badges over to hide their names after glancing at the observers through the windows.

snip

Late in the evening a man in a blue shirt walked into the room and sat at a computer to help tally the
results cartridges. This person did not log into the election software himself, he walked up to a
computer that had the software open and started using it. The observers wanted to know who he was
but had a hard time getting the attention of the people in the count room. One observer held up a
piece of paper to the observation window asking the name of the person in the blue shirt. One
worker who saw the request laughed but no one answered the question. After seeing the request
most of the workers intentionally averted their eyes from the window, even as several observers
knocked on it trying to get their attention. Two election workers were no more than four feet away
from the window with the request but refused to look at it even as people were knocking
on the glass right in front of them.

I left the observation room and went into the main lobby of the Registrar’s office and saw that a
group of observers out there were trying to figure out who the man in the blue shirt was. Brian Floyd
and Art Cassel got Carole Stringer’s attention and asked who the man in the blue shirt was. Ms.
Stringer said that it was "James". Mr. Cassel asked what his last name was and got the answer ,
"He's an associate". Mr. Cassel asked if that meant he worked for Jaguar Computer Systems or
Sequoia and Ms. Stinger smiled and repeated that he was an associate. Mr. Cassel asked if he
worked for the Registrar's office and got no answer. I asked what his last name was and got no
answer. Mr. Cassel asked what an associate meant and got no answer. Mr. Cassel then asked if he
was a volunteer and Ms. Stringer said that he wasn't a volunteer. She then went on to repeat
that he didn't work for a vendor and walked away smiling.

snip

Much much more in the report: http://www.exit.com/RiversideVoteTest/Nov_2_2004_Riverside_Count_Room_Report.pdf

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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 02:27 AM
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24. Simply astounding...
Take every voting machine made and throw them in the ocean. Paper and pen is the only way.
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mountebank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 02:30 AM
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25. Priceless web page on Mischelle Townsend.
snip

Whenever the touchscreen voting machine industry needed a favorable quote for a news article, Mischelle Townsend was there. The big-haired Registrar of Voters for Riverside County, California was their indefatigable booster, singing the praises of the newfangled paperless machines. Even after they were proven to be insecure, unreliable pieces of shit that were demonstrably worse than paper ballots.

snip

http://www.nndb.com/people/810/000050660/
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