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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:20 PM Original message |
WTF?A Repuke just explained to me why the Exit Polls were biased for Kerry |
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LisaLynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yeah, that's been their line ... |
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Cowboy Joe2k (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
32. None of this Matters now. What we need to do is demand |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:35 AM Response to Reply #32 |
54. I'd just be happy if the Congress voted |
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berniew1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 07:22 PM Response to Reply #54 |
74. The above premises have been investigated and found not valid |
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texpatriot2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. they are pretty simplistic thinkers |
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ailsagirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Really-- they basically believe what they're told to believe |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
3. The exit polls were only wrong |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 09:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
22. That makes me wonder... |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Did I hear that the exit polling outfit was a brand new one ? |
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Chimpanzee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Yes, Voter News Service was replaced by Mitshitski and Edison |
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jdots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
5. does this repuke want to buy a bridge ? |
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floridadem30 (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. Shall we start to list the thousands of reasons we don't buy it? |
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kerry2win (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
7. #4 it was nice in am in cleve |
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IAMREALITY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
8. It Never Ceases To Amaze Me What They Are Willing To Believe |
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Imalittleteapot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
9. Why were Bush voters too ashamed to admit they voted |
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GRLMGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I'd be embarassed to admit it |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 01:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. I live in repuke Clark county, and noticed a lot more Kerry/Edwards |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
10. Except it never stopped raining. |
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Shalom (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
11. Occam's Razor (Simplest Answer) is FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD n/t |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
43. Occam's Razor's reasonable. |
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darthdemocrat (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
12. Some Republicans will rationalize anything their "team" does or says! |
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Red State Blues (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 11:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
63. easy |
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Gothmog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
14. This is crap |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 09:29 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Wrong? It's criminal. n/t |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
15. Anyone who was ashamed to admit voting for Bush shouldn't have |
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farmbo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
17. But..but..but..Rove said the Exit Poll's "internals" showed too many Women |
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ccarter84 (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 03:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. LOL good ol' rove |
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Fortunato (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
18. Have to love... |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
19. wow |
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libertypirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
20. You have to tell them they are wrong. |
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skysurfer (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 10:05 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Very true libertypirate |
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libertypirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Frame the media |
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tngledwebb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
21. TIA, |
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blueatheart (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
24. lies |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 06:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
41. Hi blueatheart!! |
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Nordic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
26. republicans can rationalize anything, and I mean anything |
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Cadence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 01:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. It's a large group of pathological narcissists |
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jsascj (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
27. And none of them mentioned the real reason... |
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Cadence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
31. I just wrote this on another thread but I should have |
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Chimpanzee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
33. Sounds like desparate rationalizations not based in fact or history |
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jhgatiss (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
35. If they were too ashamed to say they voted for Bush... |
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goodboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
36. ok, well that's some bullshit....next? |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
37. Exit polling weights responses for party, sex, etc. If they were |
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Paligal (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
38. So that basically means |
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jwmealy (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
40. Exit Polls--It's the Pattern in the Red Shift, not Just the Fact of it... |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Hi jwmealy!! |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I have thought of doing a similar analysis. Glad you did it. |
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jwmealy (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 07:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. "Beyond MOE" calculation assumes "all things being equal" |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 08:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Come on, you are much too intelligent to actually post this. |
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jwmealy (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:23 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Any advice on what statistical checks to run and where to publish? |
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goldengreek (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 11:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
65. Good Lord, Webb! |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
46. LOL...they were ASHAMED they voted for Bush? |
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jwmealy (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 07:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Err, that a small percentage of Bush voters actually have compunctions |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
48. Reason #1 amazes me |
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BlueDog2u (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 10:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Turdblossom |
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Alizaryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
50. If they are that convinced they should encourage the recounts.. |
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ClintCooper2003 (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
53. ALL THOSE ARE PHONY REASONS |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
55. Another: Dems are younger, they liked to talk to the young pollsters. |
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Matilda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
56. The Repubs probably think the exit polls were rigged. |
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JWP (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
57. Write Zogby |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 09:06 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Its not just the states that Bush won. Its the 16 states in which |
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jwmealy (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 12:20 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. The broad prevalence of Red Shift is what raises my doubts. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 09:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. It's possible... |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 10:35 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Excellent Post. I agree 100%. Have you seen my post on the odds |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 06:29 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. I put my posts on your odds... |
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jwmealy (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Statistical checks |
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jwmealy (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 01:23 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. One teeny tweak--otherwise fair dues. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 06:05 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. JW... |
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jwmealy (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. What Happens When you Add the Votes Back In? |
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jwmealy (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Oops--error in the back-calculation formula--here's a better calc |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
61. This person's list of reasons fails at trickery. Dud! Plop! |
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goldengreek (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
64. Uh... I guess "Occam's razor" is a magic chant to them. |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 11:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. Hate to be a stickler, |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
71. A fun "adjusted" exit poll inconsistancy (link) |
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steve2470 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
72. would hypothetical Democratic voter fraud be exposed ? |
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