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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:11 PM
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I sense the concept of fraud is GAINING momentum!
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 08:14 PM by RaulVB
I am fairly new here, but the tone of the "momentum" tread sends the wrong message, just an opinion...
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tbuddha Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:13 PM
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1. Right on brother!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:14 PM
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2. ABSOLUTELY!!! - THE ANTICIPATION IS THICK!
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 08:15 PM by jsamuel
This is a ball that we rolled up a hill in November and it is starting to roll downhill all by itself.

I am just waiting for it to hit something!
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tbuddha Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:28 PM
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4. As Richard Clark would say,
"It's a self licking ice cream cone now."
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:29 PM
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5. Ha, ha...
Great!
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:45 PM
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27. Warren County: most successful vote drive ever, or stuffing ballot box
Warren County, a traditional Republican stronghold northeast of Cincinnati, came to national attention on election night. While the nation awaited returns from Ohio, the state that would decide the election, county officials locked down the administrative building and prohibited all independent observers from watching the vote count.

An analyst who has all the vote data for 2000 and 2004 by precinct in several Ohio counties did a detailed analysis by precinct of the huge increase in Bush votes and margin in Warren county. This county first did a lockdown to count the votes, then apparently did another lockdown to recount the votes later- resulting in an even bigger Bush margin and very unusual new patterns.

Several very unusual patterns were evident in the history and the vote totals by precinct. The analyst concludes:

"George W. Bush’’s big win in Warren County was due to one of two things –– one of the most successful voter registration drives in American political history, or stuffing the ballot box. If the vote was legitimate, the records will show it. There will be a signature in a different handwriting for every one of the 16,803 newly registered voters, and for every one of the 95,512 ballots cast. If the vote was not legitimate, there will be a shortage of punch cards in the ballot box, or duplicate handwriting on the voter rolls, or fewer registered voters than reported."

Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D. 4 Fisher Street Canton, NY 13617 (315) 379-0820 http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/warren.htm

Other counties and likely Kerry win in recount with fair rules: http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm


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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:22 PM
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3. Kick
Sorry, I don't like the other message on top.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:31 PM
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6. Just like a go-cart at the top of a hill.
WHEEEEEEEEEEEE...

NGU.


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Roger_Otip Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:51 PM
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7. concepts don't bring down governments
action does. there is more than enough evidence already to challenge the election, so get out onto the streets and challenge it.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:53 PM
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8. Agreed (n/t)
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:55 PM
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10. So right
Did Richard Clark really say that, Buddha?? Cheers people! Just when our hearts were getting a bit heavy things are starting to happen! Yahoo!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:53 PM
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9. See you saturday in Columbus then? And your state capitol next week!
I'm ready!!!!!

Let's go!!!!!!!!!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

and a kick!
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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:57 PM
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11. Jesse on COUNTDOWN
Jesse was asked point blank by Keith if he thought there was fraud in Ohio, yes I think so. How's that for momentum?!
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Roger_Otip Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:06 PM
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16. sorry - i'm in London
i'm not american, but if i was i'd be there - or if someone would pay for my flight.
you're the ones with the power - maybe it doesn't feel like it sometimes, but there are a load of people around the world looking to you to win this.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:15 PM
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17. Thanks for your support from afar!!
I will be in Columbus Saturday, and likely in my state capital the following Saturday. I hope I'm not the only one ;)

If I had money, I'd send you a ticket!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:08 PM
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21. Don't apologize!
I'm a huge Anglophile. I'll be there in May.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:48 PM
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28. Thank you!!
Please, if you know of any investigative news programs in the UK, contact them and ask them to take a look at our situation! Thank you so much!
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GingerSnaps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:49 PM
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29. Do you know whats going on in this country?
Are you getting news about our stolen election? We are helpless here, please spread the word. :hug:
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 03:17 PM
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48. You can help from London!
Hi,
What you can do is to get the big papers over there and in Europe to cover the fraudulent US election! Let the people of Europe force America to cover it. We're going to also need you after Kerry is in the WH with the prosecution of this criminal administration!!
Thanks!
JoMama
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:58 PM
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12. I think we are being helped by what is happening in Ukraine
Maybe Americans will realize that it can happen here.

I just hope it's not too late.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 08:58 PM
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13. Thank you, RaulVB!
I feel the momentum really growing too. I am excited. Nothing will stop this. The truth is coming out. No matter what it takes, the truth is coming out and changes will be made.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:02 PM
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14. Strong indications of major electronic glitches or fraud in Ohio counties
Strong indications of major electronic glitches or fraud in Ohio in several counties

In analyzing the still-unofficial results, the totals reveal that C. Ellen Connally, an African-American Democratic candidate from Cleveland running for Ohio Chief Justice, received more than votes than Kerry in many counties. For example in Butler County, Connally received 5347 more votes than Kerry. The list of the counties where Connally actually outpolled Kerry include Auglaize, Brown, Butler, Clermont, Darke, Highland, Mercer, Miami, Putnam, Shelby, Van Wert, and Warren.

The reason the Kerry vote counts are suspect is because Connelly, a retired African-American judge, was vastly outspent in her race, and did not have the visibility of the presidential race. Thus for a more obscure Democratic candidate, farther down on the ticket, to get many more votes statewide than Kerry, suggests something happened to suggest there may have been a transfer of Kerry votes to Bush. ""Statistically, Kerry, as the Democratic presidential candidate, should have more votes than Connally. In a presidential election, most voters have the priority of casting a vote for president and the votes for president are almost always much higher than those of candidates farther down the ticket. As of election night, 5,481,804 votes were counted for Bush and Kerry. 4,327,270 votes were counted for Moyer and Connally.

""This looks like a computer glitch or a computer fix,"" said Bob Fitrakis, a lawyer, political scientist and Editor of the Columbus Free Press (http://freepres.org) who has written about election irregularities since Bush was declared the winner. Fitrakis is among the team of lawyers who announced they would soon file an election challenge in the state’s Supreme Court.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:04 PM
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15. Speaking of momentum, have you seen this thread?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x94805#95061

I'd say the snowball effect is in action. :)

This is a great day!
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:27 PM
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18. Thank you Peter Parker AKA spidey, reluctant superhero bitten by a
radioactive freeper troll.
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StephanieMarie Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:46 PM
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19. This in the Augusta Chronicle today! Page 2 news:
Columbus, Ohio : Nearly a month after John Kerry conceded Ohio to President Bush, complaints and challenges about the balloting are mounting as activitst including the Rev. Jesse Jackson demand closer scrutiny to ensure the votes are being counted on the up-and-up.
The Rev. Jackson has been holding rallies in Ohio in recent days to draw attention to the vote, and another critic plans to ask the state Supreme Court this week to decide the validity of the election.


<Thank you, Jesse!>
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:53 PM
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20. Kick!
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:15 PM
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22. bump
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:16 PM
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23. It certainly is my friend. Your senses are keen. n/t
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:05 PM
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24. kick n/t
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Hobbes199 Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:33 PM
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25. Yes, this will be a good week!
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Gandhi

Tell it brother-man!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:13 AM
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30. That's one of my favoritist quotes ever!
NGU.


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donachiel Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:34 AM
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33. Gandhi rocks!
:kick:
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:48 PM
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46. what phase do you suppose we're in?
I'm thinking somewhere between laughing and fighting.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:37 PM
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26. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:31 AM
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31. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:30 AM
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32. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:42 AM
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34. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:42 AM
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35. kick
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:45 AM
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36. RaulVB, you say things consistently worth listening to. n/t
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:47 AM
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37. Thanks!
I'm just a "newbie" trying to help.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:04 AM
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38. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:06 AM
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39. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:43 AM
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40. kick it
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:45 AM
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41. Do you? Me too...especially after the troll we had round here...
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:47 AM
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42. kick
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Left Brain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 04:17 AM
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43. Yes brother and fellow Oregonian
I certainly do, I certainly do.

And won't some people be surprised when the dookie hits the fan?

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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 04:42 AM
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44. Weird. It's like Bush is just cruising along, but there is this
undercurrent of resistance building and I get the sense that the Left is unifying, marshalling their forces on many different levels to challenge this bullshit election and destroy this fascist chimp!!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:37 PM
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45. Something is up, definitely, the "F" word is being used on MSM
now. The seed is planted and many people are watering it. I think you are right about the unification around this issue. I don't think we are going to go quietly this time.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 03:06 PM
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47. definately between the
laughing and fighting stage
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