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rebelskypirate Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:59 PM
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Ohio Election Laws and Questions
I have found a few pieces of Ohio law that raise some questions that I know someone(or more than one) has the answers to here on DU, here goes:

Source for all quotes is http://onlinedocs.andersonpublishing.com/oh/lpExt.dll/PORC/17a8a?fn=document-frame.htm&f=templates&2.0#

§ 3506.18. Voter verified paper audit trail used for recount.

(A) For any recount of an election in which ballots are cast using a direct recording electronic voting machine with a voter verified paper audit trail, the voter verified paper audit trail shall serve as the official ballot to be recounted.
(B) Voter verified paper audit trails shall be preserved in the same manner and for the same time period as paper ballots are preserved under section 3505.31 of the Revised Code.

So how many counties in Ohio use e-voting that have said paper trail, and how many do not, and how would this affect one side or the other? Please post link(s) to this data

§ 3506.14. Testing of computer programs, voting machines and tabulating equipment.

(A) Prior to each election, the board of elections shall test and audit the variable codes applicable to that election to verify the accuracy of any computer program that will be used for tallying the ballot cards for each precinct in which an election will be held.
(B) Prior to the start of the count of the ballots, the board of elections shall have the voting machine or automatic tabulating equipment tested to ascertain that it will accurately count the votes cast for all offices and on all questions and issues. Public notice of the time and place of the test shall be given by proclamation or posting as in the case of notice of elections. The test shall be conducted by processing a pre-audited group of ballots so marked as to record a predetermined number of valid votes for each candidate and on each question and issue, and shall include for each office one or more ballots that have votes in excess of the number allowed by law in order to test the ability of the automatic tabulating equipment to reject those votes. In that test a different number of valid votes shall be assigned to each candidate for an office, and for and against each question and issue. If an error is detected, the cause for the error shall be ascertained and corrected and an errorless count shall be made and certified to by the board before the count is started. The tabulating equipment shall pass the same test at the beginning and conclusion of the election day count before the election returns are approved as official. On completion of the election day count, the programs, test materials, and ballots shall be sealed and retained as provided for paper ballots in section 3505.31 of the Revised Code"

This looks to me like any hacking or altering of the e-maching would have to be done after the votes were cast, and away from the sight of the challengers each party allowed, as stated here:


§ 3505.21. Challengers and witnesses:"At any primary, special, or general election, any political party supporting candidates to be voted upon at such election and any group of five or more candidates may appoint to any of the polling places in the county or city one person, a qualified elector, who shall serve as challenger for such party or such candidates during the casting of the ballots, and one person, a qualified elector, who shall serve as witness during the counting of the ballots; provided that one such person may be appointed to serve as both challenger and witness
Upon the filing of a certificate the person named as challenger therein shall be permitted to be in and about the polling place during the casting of the ballots and shall be permitted to watch every proceeding of the judges and clerks of elections from the time of the opening until the closing of the polls. Any such witnesses so appointed may inspect the counting of the ballots in the precinct from the time of the closing of the polls until the counting is completed and the final returns are certified and signed"

This could be the "smoking cannon" and would be very, very good evidence once proven

Here is the law on voting machines:

"No voting machine shall be approved by the board of voting machine examiners or certified by the secretary of state, or be purchased, rented, or otherwise acquired, or used, except when specifically allowed for experimental use, as provided in section 3506.04 of the Revised Code, unless it fulfills the following requirements:

(A) It shall permit and require voting in absolute secrecy, and shall be so constructed that no person can see or know for whom any other elector has voted or is voting, except an elector who is assisting a voter as prescribed by section 3505.24 of the Revised Code.
(B) It shall permit each elector to vote at any election for all persons and offices for whom and for which the elector is lawfully entitled to vote, whether or not the name of any such person appears on a ballot label as a candidate; to vote for as many persons for an office as the elector is entitled to vote for; and to vote for or against any question upon which the elector is entitled to vote.
(C) It shall preclude each elector from voting for any candidate or upon any question for whom or upon which the elector is not entitled to vote, from voting for more persons for any office than the elector is entitled to vote for, and from voting for any candidates for the same office or upon any question more than once.
(D) It shall permit each voter to deposit, write in, or affix, upon devices provided for that purpose, ballots containing the names of persons for whom the voter desires to vote, whose names do not appear upon the voting machine. Those devices shall be susceptible of identification as to party affiliations when used at a primary election.
(E) It shall permit each elector to change the elector's vote for any candidate or upon any question appearing upon the ballot labels, up to the time the elector starts to register the elector's vote.
(F) It shall permit each elector, at all presidential elections, by one device to vote for candidates of one party for president, vice-president, and presidential electors.
(G) It shall be capable of adjustment by election officers so as to permit each elector, at a primary election, to vote only for the candidates of the party with which the elector has declared the elector's affiliation and shall preclude the elector from voting for any candidate seeking nomination by any other political party; and to vote for the candidates for nonpartisan nomination or election.
(H) It shall have separate voting devices for candidates and questions, which shall be arranged in separate rows or columns. It shall be so arranged that one or more adjacent rows or columns may be assigned to the candidates of each political party at primary elections.
(I) It shall have a counter, or other device, the register of which is visible from the outside of the machine, and which will show at any time during the voting the total number of electors who have voted; and also a protective counter, or other device, the register of which cannot be reset, which will record the cumulative total number of movements of the internal counters
(J) It shall be provided with locks and seals by the use of which, immediately after the polls are closed or the operation of the machine for an election is completed, no further changes to the internal counters can be allowed.
(K) It shall have the capacity to contain the names of candidates constituting the tickets of at least five political parties, and independent groups and such number of questions not exceeding fifteen as the secretary of state shall specify.
(L) It shall be durably constructed of material of good quality in a neat and workerlike manner, and in form that shall make it safely transportable.
(M) It shall be so constructed that a voter may readily learn the method of operating it, may expeditiously cast a vote for all candidates of the voter's choice, and when operated properly shall register and record correctly and accurately every vote cast.
(N) It shall be provided with a screen, hood, or curtain, which will conceal the voter while voting. During the voting, it shall preclude every person from seeing or knowing the number of votes registered for any candidate or question and from tampering with any of the internal counters.
(O) It shall not provide to a voter any type of receipt or voter confirmation that the voter legally may retain after leaving the polling place
(P) On and after the first federal election that occurs after January 1, 2006, unless required sooner by the Help America Vote Act of 2002, if the voting machine is a direct recording electronic voting machine, it shall include a voter verified paper audit trail."

Note: At least (P) is good news....looks like no more "vapor-vote" in Ohio!

So it looks like to me if it can be proven that these e-vote machines have been altered after being "locked"....prima facia evidence. Also, if the voting machines used did not follow one or more parts of the law, more good proof for a contestment lawsuit

Also, it looks like part of Ohio's election law was repealed on Voting Machines, anyone have the old law?

Ohio does appear to have clearly written election laws(unlike Florida 2000), of course following the law is another matter!

I await your posts on the missing pieces, thanks all!

PS: Of interest in the coming recount:

§ 3505.28. "Ballots not counted: No ballot shall be counted which is marked contrary to law, except that no ballot shall be rejected for any technical error unless it is impossible to determine the voter's choice. If two or more ballots are found folded together among the ballots removed from a ballot box, they shall be deemed to be fraudulent. Such ballots shall not be counted. They shall be marked "Fraudulent" and shall be placed in an envelope indorsed "Not Counted" with the reasons therefor, and such envelope shall be delivered to the board of elections together with other uncounted ballots.
No ballot shall be rejected because of being marked with ink or by any writing instrument other than one of the pencils provided by the board of elections."

PSS: Last but not least, doesn't look like any chance for "faithless" Electors from Ohio
§ 3505.40. Presidential electors required to vote for party nominees: "A presidential elector elected at a general election or appointed pursuant to section 3505.39 of the Revised Code shall, when discharging the duties enjoined upon him by the constitution or laws of the United States, cast his electoral vote for the nominees for president and vice-president of the political party which certified him to the secretary of state as a presidential elector pursuant to law."

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