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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:20 PM Original message |
NH Will Hurt Our Credibility? How do we Counter? |
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bluetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. The impression I got was that Bev backed Nader's interest in NH |
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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Isn't NH where the greatest exit poll deviation existed? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Yes - but paper trails via pre-Diebold ownership of BBV - so |
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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Isn't that a little too much "inside baseball" for the general pop? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. "no errors in a recount" ignores exit poll - no errors in exit poll means |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 08:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
44. One of the big problems is the enormity of the central tabulator... |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Deviation from exits |
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bemis12 (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
41. The problem in NH |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
32. Please see these threads for "why" |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. Regarding NH (and every other 'red-shift' state) I suggest you focus on... |
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Lisabtrucking (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
3. That was Nader's thinking all the time. |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Nader was never on our side. He works for Bush. |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. That's Nonsense |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. He has proved nothing. The approach is fundamentally flawed. |
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jkd (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. That's Right! |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
36. Boy, I'm sure glad you've finally arrived to tell us wha'ts what |
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jkd (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. Do I feel welcome? |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. I smelled a Trojan Horse in NH right from the beginning. |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. You need to have your nose checked, then |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
34. Please see my first post in this thread. I'm tired of this ignorance. |
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SoCalDemGrrl (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
35. I don't trust Nader either |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. whose credibility does it hurt? |
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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. To people like us, I agree. But... |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. SV you are one of the most clear thinkers on this forum, |
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Peter Frank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I don't think we should concern ourselves... |
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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. That's why it's important to have a counter. If it looks legitimate... |
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Peter Frank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. We already know that irregularities exist. |
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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. No disagreement here. |
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Lisabtrucking (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Nader should of just stayed out of it. |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. If Nader had stayed out of it, |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. Then see this thread |
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libertypirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
19. NH is a control group |
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tbuddha (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
20. Easy...Kerry won NH |
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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I doubt it will fly. We've been using exit polls to make our case... |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. Exit polls only in NH |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
22. I was afraid of this...... |
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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Call me crazy, but I have trouble the Nader as a Bush drone angle... |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Look. I overstated Nader's nefariousness. I apologize |
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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I agree on FL. OH too. |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. FL will have to wait -- |
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bunny planet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. He was on the ballot in Florida. |
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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:25 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. That's right. I forgot it was flipped at the end. |
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myschkin (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
26. no big surprise |
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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. It is certainly opposite of how they're behaving in OH. |
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chrisclub (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 08:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
45. Karl Rove sent Nader to NH |
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Stahl (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
43. "What do we do now?" |
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johan helge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
46. What about countering this way: |
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jfern (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
48. Easy |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 11:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. NH doesn't hurt our credibility |
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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 11:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Have you devoted a thread to this? |
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johan helge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 11:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Interesting. You should post it as a thread! |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 11:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I have but the focus on DU has been the machines. |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. If anyone has this data already, could they share? |
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rfrrfrrfr (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
54. Before you continue with |
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