Info on Russian election techs/prog. working 4 Enron in Houston?

[jamboi]

Madsen asks if anyone has any info or leads on "election techs/ programmers (who) were illegal Russian nationals working here or if they are Russian Green Card holders in the US, if they ever worked for Enron in Houston.

[jamboi]

1. Incentive for Russian expat programmers in US

As one company CEO reports:
"They're working very hard, and they're making the equivalent of six times what an average Russian programmer makes," (the CEO) says, adding that a windfall for them is roughly one-fifth of what their U.S. counterparts would earn for the same work. (The Russian programmers also receive housing and a small piece of the company.)"

Another quote found on the web.:
"...A Russian programmer charges 80% less than an American..."

and a russian programmer reports:
"Recently the things became worse. Now there are not too many customers in the rich world who want to outsource anything to us. Do not think that IT crysis affects only US programmers! We are all in the same boat. The IT wages here go down proportionally as the economy collapses."

[Shalom]

2. Kick - this is Important.

[Matariki]

3. the CEO of what company?

Enron? and do you have a link for that quote?

[jamboi]

5. that quote is just background to illustrate the economics that face the

Russian hi tech workers and since I don't think there's anything particular about that company or that CEO of interest/relevance I'd prefer not to post that link. It isn't Enron. If you really want you can find it easily enough.

[jamboi]

4. Enron's demise threw many expats out of work

Out of work can mean out of country (including Russian expats)
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1162350

[rainbow4321]

25. Enron/CIA article/Bushes

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/ultAgent.html


Consider the company's leadership:


Enron CEO Kenneth Lay was a Pentagon official during the Vietnam War, and a friend of the Bush family for decades. Frank Wisner Jr., a board member of the subsidiary Enron Oil & Gas, has intimate CIA ties, and is the son of former CIA deputy Director.Frank Wisner Sr., who was present at the creation of the CIA.

Osama bin Laden's family business, the Saudi Binladin Group, is a major construction company. Saudi Binladin Group was an investor of the Carlyle Group. Carlyle's directors include George H.W. Bush,and James Baker. George W. Bush's firm Arbusto Energy was funded by an investment from Texas investment banker James Bath, who was also the investment counselor for the bin Laden family. Bath had connections to the CIA, and was involved with the Iran-Contra, savings and loan, and BCCI scandals.


One of Saudi Binladen's joint venture partners is H.C. Price Company.

H.C. Price is a major builder of pipelines, and is involved in large projects, including two projects for Enron: the Florida Gas Pipeline and the Northern Border Pipeline running from the US/Canadian border from Montana to Illinois.

[jamboi]

6. Enron & Unified Elec. Systems sign alliance

ENRON AND UNIFIED ELECTRICITY SYSTEMS (Moscow based) sign alliance
http://www.enron.com/corp/pressroom/releases/1998/ene/12ues.html

[jamboi]

7. Enron political corruption & Bush ties

http://weblog.siliconvalley.com/column/dangillmor/archives/2001_12.shtml

These guys make Microsoft look honest.

When the Enron scandal is finally unraveled, you can bet that politics will be one of the biggest parts. That is, if Congress cares enough to actually investigate.

That's not a given. Enron cultivated and funded George W. Bush for years, and handed the green stuff to Republicans generally. Now they're pouring the dough into the Democrats' pockets.

Washington is getting back to normal, apparently. Legal bribery, in the form of campaign "contributions," is making news again.

[rainbow4321]

23. Russian ties while chimp was TX gov...

http://www.pww.org/article/view/694/1/61/

Georgia is one possible route for an oil and gas pipeline from the Caspian Sea and the Central Asian Republics to western Europe. This is a project dear to the hearts of oil and gas corporations, the real motive for the flattery that rained down on Shevardnadze.

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George W. Bush was governor of Texas while these celebrations gushed forth. Some of the Lay-Bush correspondence during those years has just been released in Austin. In one April 1997 letter, Lay reminds Bush of a scheduled reception at the governor’s mansion for a dignitary from Uzbekistan.

Lay noted that Enron has just signed a $2 billion deal to develop and transport natural gas in Uzbekistan. “I know you and Ambassador Safaev will have a productive meeting which will result in a friendship between Texas and Uzbekistan,” said Lay’s note.

Two years later, Lay wrote asking Gov. Bush to meet with the prime minister of Romania during his visit to Houston. Lay noted that Enron had recently finalized a joint venture to market natural gas in Romania with its rich Ploesti oil fields

[jamboi]

26. I forwarded it on. good catch! n/t

[rainbow4321]

28. Thanks..here are Lay/Bush letters to each other..

http://thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushlay12.html

There's 15 of them all together in the above link..some just chit-chat, others are "Kenny-boy" writing to chimp when he was gov..about different bills in the TX legislature---and then the letter about Russia.


More letters:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushlayb1.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushlayc2.html



edited to include more letter links...

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[Not_Without_A_Fight]

29. kick

[jamboi]

11. Example of how this could work -- or smoking gun???

Hmmm... check this out:
http://www.justaflyonthewall.com/votefraud.html

[jhgatiss]

12. What do we have on this guy? n/t

[jamboi]

14. I started a separate topic just on this guy. I haven't done research on

him.

[Vote4Kerry]

15. Maybe ask Madsen about Dmitri Papushin (Link)

Originally found here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=96274&mesg_id=96361&page=

(Post 13)
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http://www.dangerouscitizen.com/Articles/904.aspx

Diebold Internal Memos Admit Voting Machine Flaws

"According to Harris, this means that only three people in the world know what's in the Diebold software code used to run several elections, particularly in California. Two of these individuals are Canadian and one is a Russian living in Canada. Their names: Ken Clark, Talbot Iredale (a stockholder), and Dmitry Papushin."

Think it's related to Madsen's article? We need to dig up more info on these Diebold people who were lurking around CA precincts during the 2002 election, like in San Luis Obispo. This was all hashed through about a year ago on www.blackboxvoting.org and on DU. Anyone with links? Eloriel? - I know you bookmark like mad....

I'm still VERY skeptical of this story, and this addition did not help. Still, it would be such a huge story, it's worth it to be on the crest of the wave.....

[jamboi]

18. Factoid: largest employer of Russian expat computer programmers in Houston

Hmmm... Good place to recruit.

[skids]

20. Piotr Blass.

I don't know how much credence Madsen gives the Jeff Fisher stuff, but something to be worthy of note is that a key figure in Jeff's stuff is Piotr Blass, who is Russian (or close to.)

Check the BBV dcforums for links to Blass's resume. Just be careful. There are some strange creatures lurking in them thar forums drawing all sorts of completely illogical connections.

(Most of the people there are just fine.)

And when you do find his resume, get a load of that hair!

[Igel]

21. Wouldn't be surprised, but no evidence

The Russian community in Houston and Dallas is large--large enough to have a sort of (conservative) newspaper that comes out every couple of weeks. ("Our Texas", Nash Tekhas).

[libertypirate]

22. It may be nothing but then again you can never be sure....

I posted this regaurding the use of middleware application components as places to hide vote count logic.

Check out the bottom

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x1636#6631

When I saw that the the guy running the parent company of "Rouge Wave Software" was "Harvey A. Wagner" and then googled him to find out he used to run the finances for Mirant before it went chapter 11 I kinda thought that seemed funny.

[jamboi]

24. Interesting. n/t

[NVMojo]

27. Bush's attorney choice, Gonzalez, worked for enron

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/2910216

this may have run elsewhere but thought it was weird too... Gonzalez worked for Enron ...