"Christian Right has largely retreated from the culture wars"

[bryant69]

According to New York Times columnist Nicholas D Kristoff, as captured by Media Matters for America. He also says that atheists like Dawkins and Harris are "often just as intolerant -- and mean" as Christian fundamentalists.

Here's the link --> http://mediamatters.org/items/200612040005

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[mainegreen]

1. As telling people being intolerant and mean automatically makes you intolerant and mean.

:eyes:

[jeff30997]

2. In other words...

bryant69 is intolerant and mean and so are you and I for pointing that out. :P

[kiahzero]

7. If I refer to you as "deluded," would you consider that tolerant or nice? (n/t)

[mainegreen]

9. Nice, no, but not mean, and that is certainly not intolerant.

It's silly to go around pretending we're all right, and that to not do so is intolerant. They're trying to do this over in England, and I must say, it's a bit foolish.

[BOSSHOG]

3. I'd be incredibly mean and intolerant too

if some group of religiously fanatic yahoos wanted to use the constitution as a weapon against me because they hated me. I find it incredibly ironic that the christian right thoroughly enjoys every ounce of liberty provided by the constitution but they don't want segments of society to do likewise. They think this is the land of the baptists instead of the land of the free.

[zbdent]

4. As intolerant and mean as the loving family dog who

finally has enough of the kid who has been pulling its ears and tail painfully, and the dog finally snaps and fights back ... and, of course, when that happens, the dog (non-Righties) is decried as vicious and euthanised (or just plain shot), while the kid sheds a bunch of tears, never mentioning the fact that he was the one who tormented the dog in the first place ...

[cosmik debris]

5. "Kristof provided no support for his assertion."

Mustn't leave that out.

[bryant69]

8. Well given my agenda, you can see why I'd leave that part out.

Bryant

[Evoman]

10. Lol...

Okay...that was kinda funny.

[xchrom]

6. yeah -- ya know -- i'm not feelin the Love just yet.

if they EVER get around to admiting that they have lied about gay folk trying persecute them, attack their values, make them hide their faith -- or whatever psychotic delusional thought popped into their paranoid money grubbing brains that they decided to bash america with -- MAYBE i'll start to feel the love.

until then -- it's still game on.

[immoderate]

11. Bryant, the main point of the blog...

...is that Kristoff is full of shit. You neglected to mention that.

--IMM

[kiahzero]

12. It's a test.

"Who RTMFA?"

[bryant69]

13. Yes I did.

I guess I thought the sentence "Christian Right has largely retreated from the culture wars" was self evidently nonsense enough that it would get the point across. It seems like I overestimated some of you and I apologize. I'll try to be more careful in the future.

Bryant

[immoderate]

16. Sorry...

I'm not used to you defending Dawkins and Harris.

--IMM

[bryant69]

18. Well I'm not. Should I be?

But it's obviously nonsense to claim that theres some sort of equivilence between them and the Dominionists.

Bryant

[immoderate]

19. You just did.

And rightly so.

--IMM

[bryant69]

20. Perhaps I should clarify

It is wrong to imply that both dominionists and Dawkins and Harris have the same kind of power, the same kind of influence over our culture. In other areas, such as how they look at those who disagree with them, there might be some parallels.

Bryant

[immoderate]

21. Well thanks for that.

I guess whether there are parallels or not depends on one's view of the validity of their respective base assertions.

--IMM

[bryant69]

23. There it is

Obviously you can make a case that tolerance for different points of view just permits wrong and dangerous opinions to flourish.

Bryant

[immoderate]

24. Depends on what you mean by tolerance.

I can disagree with something and yet tolerate its existence. While dominionists seek to legislate their positions into law, I don't see Dawkins and Harris doing the same thing. Some might say though, that the anti establishment clause does just that.

There may be a point though, where validity of evidence has to be judged.

--IMM

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. Since when?

[applegrove]

15. Live and let live. It is human to be religious. Just as it is to be non-religious.

Different people have different capacities for each.

[Az]

17. They spent a long time dormant

I am not so sure they are ready to bow out. They have learned a few lessons. But they have also seen what they can do. I don't think they are quite ready to lay back down. I think they may be trying to cast off their association with the NeoCons and find their own power. But I don't think they are ready to go away just yet.

[trotsky]

22. This need for "balance"

Funny. You see it in the MSM, saying that Michael Moore is the "equivalent" of Ann Coulter.

Kristoff is doing the same thing here with Dawkins/Harris being portrayed as the exact opposite extreme as Falwell/Robertson. See? It all balances out. :eyes: