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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 10:22 PM Original message |
What Is The Meaning Of This? |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. It has something to |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil, not the tree of knowledge. |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 10:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Same thing. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 10:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Not hardly. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 11:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Major difference and it creates one of the central paradoxes of the story |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 09:28 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. Good point. But that means God postulated a garden in which only |
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cmkramer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 10:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
61. in the Bible story, |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 10:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Tell that to the morans who want to eliminate science from society. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 10:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. it is a story from about 10,500BC it is not a "Jewish" myth.. just brought from Sumeria after the |
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southerncrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
3. Ignorance is bliss. |
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Freedom_from_Chains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
6. It's to support the Christian dogma that |
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boomboom (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. oh for pete's sake |
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Freedom_from_Chains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 11:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. every single thing happening today is prophesied in the Bible |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Why does god hate amputees? |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 12:36 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. You act like you've posed some sort of novel argument. |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 01:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Merely asking a question... |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #21 |
34. "Why do bad things happen to good people" counts. (n/t) |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 12:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. But that is NOT my question... |
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murielm99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 12:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Thanks for speaking up, |
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Freedom_from_Chains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 11:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
33. Having faith is Ok, if one needs to. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 11:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
35. That never works in here. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
55. Easy to say that about prophecies... |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 10:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. but it isnt a christian story it is Sumerian from about 10,500 BC |
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Freedom_from_Chains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 11:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Pretty much most of everything in the Bible, |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 11:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. What evidence do you have that the story originated |
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Freedom_from_Chains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 11:13 AM Response to Reply #12 |
31. Most stories like this we transmitted orally before writing |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. I completely agree with you on that. |
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Freedom_from_Chains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Oh absolutly, at best we're just guessing. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 11:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. The question I was getting at? |
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Freedom_from_Chains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 11:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Oh, ok, yeah it's all just guesswork and estimations and such, |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
38. see link> |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Thank you for the clarifying link. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. who is to know how old it was when first recorded.. my Hopi friends told me the kiva's are were the |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 11:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. That's just my point. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 11:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. What story? |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 11:59 AM Response to Reply #16 |
36. here are some links.. the Stichen story is based on the translation on one word different than the |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Any good links? |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. make youself happy no one else can... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Seriously, you could at least correct the last one |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 08:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. it is the address that showed when on the site.. and i dont have to do 'anything' for you, if you |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 08:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Oh, I did some searching myself |
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TRYPHO (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. Ok, i've heard enough... |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 08:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
59. Ignorant people are easier to manipulate. |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
15. The idea is that before dividing the world into "good and evil" it was bliss. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
20. Notice god told them a lie, that they'd die if they ate the fruit |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 01:28 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. They were both right |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 09:24 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Well there were two trees in the midst of the garden: the tree of |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 01:30 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Well, they did go from "immortal" to "mortal"... |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 11:07 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. When were they ever immortal? I don't recall that ever being |
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boomboom (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
49. did they not die? God never lies, but the serpent sure does |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 10:18 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. What did the serpent lie about? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 09:01 AM Response to Reply #49 |
63. God never lies? The bible says differently. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
22. biblical "to know" meant sex |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
25. That ideas of morality don't come from humans, or nature, but God and his priests |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 09:32 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. The tree contained the universal ideas of good and evil, but God had |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
26. They were in a state of innocence, in which they had not deliberately |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
32. The story kind of loses me at the talking snake bit. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Does that mean you don't believe that god spoke through Balaam's ass? |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 08:36 AM Response to Reply #40 |
56. LOL! |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 09:53 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. No offense taken. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
58. Thats easy to believe! My AP god talks to me all the time..I posted about it in AA group |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 10:35 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Yep. I saw that. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
62. It's an allegory of the evolution of humanity from instinctual behavior to |
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