Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Today's cruise of Freeperville - Beware Insanity Ahead

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Religion/Theology Donate to DU
 
Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 05:53 PM
Original message
Today's cruise of Freeperville - Beware Insanity Ahead
I swear every time I go over there I find more and more madness. But, here's today's intellectual endeavor. I thought I would add comments in bold for purposes of clarification.

Modern day Gog and Magog

Posted on 12/10/2006 1:03:27 PM PST by F15Eagle


Current world events are beginning to increasingly resemble the 2,500 year old bible prophecy made by Ezekiel in chapters 38-39. Ezekiel foresaw the rise of Russia (or Turkey, depending on the interpretation)(Or any other country from the current news you might want to put in to make it work) in a coalition with Iran and other Middle Eastern countries (Sudan, Ethiopia and Libya).

The coalition is foretold to attack Israel from the north in a bid to destroy it during the earth's "last days," commonly known as the "war of Gog and Magog." (Hmmm, I always thought it was the war of "Dog and Eggnog" but whatever)

Throughout history it was thought that the prophecy had been put on hold, until perhaps today when it seems frighteningly more feasible. (In other words when past predictions of this nature did work out which to date has been all of them)

In Joel C. Rosenberg's book "The Ezekiel Option," the author points to Ezekiel's prophecies in chapters 36-37, which have largely come true. (Oh, and which one's would that be?)

Rosenberg then asks the obvious question: If prophecies such as "the rebirth of the State of Israel, the return of the Jews to the Holy Land after centuries in exile, the re-blossoming of desolate desert land to produce abundant food, fruit and foliage, and the creation of an exceedingly great army" materialized in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, then why shouldn't the next prophecies come true in our lifetime?

Let's try and place the biblical names and locations into today's reality, and see the parallel unfolding of events: (Reality? I don't think the author is going to find that in their range of experiences.)

Gog is commonly believed to represent a person's name rather than a place, a tyrannical leader who may hatch an evil plan – in today's reality this "honor" could be most suited to the President of Iran, Ahmadinejad, or perhaps Hassan Nasrallah in Lebanon. (Or any one else who comes along that you don't like. But for now I think we can stick we these two)

Magog, according to some scholars, refers to Russia and the republics of the former Soviet Union, or perhaps Turkey. ( Or perhaps Iraq or Saudi Arabia or Syria) Others will argue that the exact location has not been fully ascertained and that the word Magog may simply be a generalization for an enemy of Israel, leaving the location open.

Under attack (Christians persecuted)

According to the prophecy in question, "many peoples with you" who will attack along "the mountains of Israel" implies that other countries will be involved in the Russian (or Turkish), Iranian, Sudanese, Ethiopian and Libyan coalition, and who border on the mountains of Israel. This includes Lebanon, Syria and possibly Jordan as well. ( And potentially aliens from outer space)

Is it so farfetched to imagine the axis between Hizbullah, Iran and Syria, especially after the second war in Lebanon when these three forces overtly united and continue to support each other's goal to destroy Israel? (Not really)

In his book, Rosenberg notes a conspicuous absence of Egypt and Iraq in the original prophecy, which also makes a lot of sense at this point in time. Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1979(And of course Egypt would never break a treaty) and Iraq is embroiled in its own war of survival (O.K. your spot on there) and both are unlikely to join a coalition against Israel.

According to the prophecy Magog "will build a military coalition and prepare a strike against Israel." Gog "will use overwhelming force against Israel" - could this be referring to nuclear force? And his coalition will "come like a storm…like a cloud covering the land." ( Or could it be that the translators got it wrong and the correct name inserted should have been Iraq?)

But let's not become hysterical. (Oh no, Never!) According to the prophecy, there is no need for Israel to become alarmed, "as the Lord God will bring judgment upon the enemies of Israel beginning with Gog (the tyrant)." (Well then I guess we can all rest easy tonight)

Ezekial prophesies a great earthquake (Now earthquakes in Turkey is something you don't see all of the time) and the turning of Gog's forces against each other. The next step, which prophesies God subjecting the enemy to "pestilence, blood, torrential rains, hailstones and fire from heaven," is unclear and sounds like someone pressed the nuclear button, and if so, then who, (Say maybe George Bush? Just a guess.) and who in the region would survive it? (Uhmmm, pretty much no one?)

But as in all happy endings, Israel, it is prophesied, will regain its economic prosperity.( LOL Well I for one am certainly glad the Jews get to keep the money)

So the question remains: Should we wait for future developments and hope for the best, or look more closely at Ezekiel's prophecy and consider preemptive action to stop what may be seen as an imminent threat rising from the "anti-Israel coalition?" (Hmmm, tough question)

With this said, Ezekiel's prophecy says nothing about an Israeli pre-emptive strike to avert a possible attack – and indeed, it appears such strike is unlikely considering the current state of our dubious, weak leadership. (Thank G-d for little things I guess)

Link at: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751399/posts



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 05:59 PM
Response to Original message
1. I think Gog and Magog was a Hungarian high wire and juggling
act that appeared regularly on Ed Sullivan. I don't remember Ed Sullivan quoting the bible when introducing them.

:spray:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Hmmm, that is certainly one possibility. N/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. They're also singing the praises of Pinochet.
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 06:09 PM by XanaDUer
That says a lot about them, to me.

EDIT: Typo
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. I didn't look any further than this article.
That was enough for me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Their insanity knows no boundaries.
...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 06:19 PM
Response to Original message
6. Sorry..........
but my hip boots don't go up far enough to wade through all that bull shit.:smoke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 07:56 PM
Response to Original message
7. Gotta have a lot of admiration for "scholars" like Rosenberg
Who are able to make up some pile of bullshit and convince people it is manna from heaven. Takes talent. And a very maleable audience.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. I think most of the emphasis is on "malleable audience"
:toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 12:53 PM
Response to Original message
9. "The Jews get to keep their money"?
( LOL Well I for one am certainly glad the Jews get to keep the money)


Have you been reading Mein Kampf, or what?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. LOL! Only you, Zeb,
could look at a screenful of hate-filled FreeRepublic filth and take offense at the ONE humorous comment a DUer tried to inject.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. And only you, trotsky
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 03:23 PM by Zebedeo
Could LOL at a comment associating "the Jews" with getting to "keep their money." What is so "humorous," as you put it, about that comment?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. What's funny is that he is mocking what the Freeper said.
Sorry you didn't understand that the humor isn't directed at Israel or the Jews, but at the Freeper's idiocy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Nice attempt to spin your way out
of this, trotsky. It isn't flying with me. Keep backpedaling.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Spin? Backpedal?
Zeb, I'm just pointing out how I interpreted the remark. You're the one who has a problem here - why not take it up with the OP instead of using me as your whipping boy? And while you're at it, perhaps you could direct a little more anger at what Freepers are *actually saying* versus what you THINK a fellow DUer is saying? Unless you happen to feel more closely allied with them, that is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. Lighten up.
I'm a Jew. I thought it was funny. Context, baby!

--IMM
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 06:01 PM
Response to Original message
15. I always get a chuckle...
Out of seeing people claim the Palestinian territory was some sort of scorched desert wastemand before 1948. The land that is now Israel has ALWAYS been good land. It's why it's one of hte longest-lived human communities in the freaking world. Arable land has always been there in abundance. What land was desert when Israel was created in 1948 is, for the vastly most part, still desert.

As for "Gog and Magog", this refers to Hittite rulers who used to be a real pain in the ass for Israel. We will of course note that the Hitites are extinct, and have been for quite a long time. The people prophecied to be the downfall of Israel have not existed for nearly 2500 years, at the very least. Turkey is now populated by, well, Turks, and not Hittites or Anatolians or any of these other oddball groups.

But don't tell the LeHayists this. History and scripture make their tender heads hurt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 09:53 PM
Response to Original message
16. Them fundies...
have such a hard-on for the Rapture.
They're waitin for it. Any day now. LEFT BEHIND'S GON' COME TRUE, MA! JUST YEW WAIT!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 16th 2024, 12:40 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Religion/Theology Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC