Has there been any updates on the latest quest to find "Noah's Ark"?

[Roland99]

I was on the phone w/a buddy last night and we ended up briefly talking about Noah's Ark and how Noah managed to scrounge up some kangaroos and wallabies (and getting a good chuckle out of it).

I just remembered hearing/seeing something on TV in the last couple of months about some new quest to locate Noah's Ark and supposedly this guy had all kinds of evidence and whatnot.

Anyone know who this guy is and if he's managed to create some evidence...er....find anything?

[sharp_stick]

1. The last I heard

was that the image that got all the fundies in a lather had been identified as a rock formation.

And I'm still pissed that Noah didn't manage to put at least one dinosaur or unicorn on his damned ark, probably had to hit the bottle again.

[Ellis Wyatt]

4. I did hear an interesting fundie theory once

That dinosaurs did exist and they existed with humans at the same time.

Their argument was how did the Chinese come up with "mythological" dragons thousands and thousands of years ago well before anyone ever had a clue that dinosaurs existed??

Quite an interesting theory. Albeit completely devoid of scientific fact. But it does raise the question, how the hell did the Chinese come up with dragons?

[Roland99]

5. Perhaps they excavated dinosaur bones in China?

[Ellis Wyatt]

8. yeah, I thought of that

but aside from the wings and breating of fire, they constructed the muscle and skin structure pretty well, which they couldn't know from a skeleton.

I guess they could have found one that was preserved in a glacier or something. I don't know. If they had, it certainly must have been quite a shocking/frightening discovery.

[Goblinmonger]

9. Wow, they thought about giant lizards in china

who ever would have thunk it.

[Evoman]

15. Not only that, but when we find giant Ant exoskeletons 1000 years in the future,

the people at that time will think.."Those people in the past obiously made those films about giant ants because they lived with giant ants sometime in the past"....they weren't creative enough to make Giant Ant movies without some sort of basis to it.

[Zhade]

17. Interesting only in how illustrative it is of human wishful thinking.

Some people will believe anything!

[Ellis Wyatt]

2. I know they thought they found it

on top of Mt. Ararat, based on some pictures, but could never actaully find it.

But the problem is that even if they find a boat that's 6,000 years old, and even if they find a boat 4,000 feet up a mountain, it's still not going to convince me that the biblical story is real.

[Jim__]

3. You can make a contribution.

Go to Ark Research Project

I can't imagine a better way to spend your money. :sarcasm:

[Red Zelda]

6. How did Noah

get the AIDS virus on the ark?

[Missy M]

7. You would think old Noah would at least have told us where he...

landed.

[kwassa]

10. The stories of the great flood derive from a great flood, probably.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark

The Black Sea deluge is a hypothesized prehistoric flood that occurred when the Black Sea rapidly filled. The theory made headlines when The New York Times published it in December 1996.

In 1998, William Ryan and Walter Pitman, geologists from Columbia University, published evidence that a massive flood through the Bosporus occurred about 5600 BCE. Glacial meltwater had turned the Black and Caspian Seas into vast freshwater lakes, while sea levels remained lower worldwide. The fresh water lakes were emptying their waters into the Aegean Sea. As the glaciers retreated, rivers emptying into the Black Sea reduced their volume and found new outlets in the North Sea, and the water levels lowered through evaporation. Then, about 5600 BC, as sea levels rose, Ryan and Pitman suggest, the rising Mediterranean finally spilled over a rocky sill at the Bosporus. The event flooded 60,000 mile² (155,000 km²) of land and significantly expanded the Black Sea shoreline to the north and west. Ryan and Pitman wrote:

"Ten cubic miles <42 km³> of water poured through each day, two hundred times what flows over Niagara Falls. …The Bosporus flume roared and surged at full spate for at least three hundred days."

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In a series of expeditions, a team of marine archeologists led by Robert Ballard identified what appeared to be ancient shorelines, freshwater snail shells, drowned river valleys, tool-worked timbers, and man-made structures in roughly 300 feet (100 m) of water off the Black Sea coast of modern Turkey. Radiocarbon dating of freshwater mollusk remains indicated an age of about 7,000 years.

[On the Road]

11. The Updates are Always the Same --

There are exciting new developments. The team is narrowing the location down. Local authorities are creating difficulties. A spectacular announcement is expected soon.

[Evoman]

12. Doesn't finding Noahs Ark create "faith" problems?

Besides, I thought you weren't supposed to use science to try to prove gods existence....separate spheres and all that jazz....

[kiahzero]

13. Different sets of people

The people who say that are almost certainly not the same type of people who would go out looking for a giant boat as an article of faith.

[Evoman]

14. I suppose so....its hard knowing that almost every bit of scientific work done over the centuries

has shown the Noahs Ark story to be complete shite. Its tough to believe something that so obviously completely wrong...even the faith-based thinkers occasionally find themselves thinking.."damn..I wish we had more than just faith".

I say good for them...find your big gigantic boat with the installed "Shrinking Ray" and dinosaur "that died on route" bones.

[Roland99]

16. Even the priest that taught my Scriptures class at a Catholic High School

told us Noah's Ark was a story.

[Az]

18. There is still that nagging little problem that there is evidence no global flood happened

We have an unbroken chain of ice core samples going back over 170,000 years. A global flood would have destroyed this chain of evidence. You would look through the ice core samples and find that they all stopped 5000 years ago. But instead we find consistantly that there is no break in the chain of evidence.

This is direct evidence against a global flood.

[kwassa]

19. You are being too literal

If your entire world extends maybe a hundred miles each direction from your home along the Black Sea, and that entire world is subject to a massive and quick flood, then it does indeed seem like the entire world HAS flooded. See my note upthread about the Mediterranean bursting into the Black Sea.

[Az]

20. I guess it all depends on

who you think wrote the bible and whether its perfect or not.

Personally I think some people wrote it and that it is far from perfect. But there are people out there that insist that every word (and for some reason some of these people think it has to be KJV) is perfect. And if you read the bible it quite clearly says that the flood covered every mountain in the world. Now.... I am more the ready to assume metaphors and such... but there is a problem here. Mountains... you see if you want to flood a mountain you have to raise the water evenly. Can't really flood a mountain out without flooding everything else. So even if we are saying it was just one local mountain there is still a huge problem.

I suspect the flood story is the result of a retelling of a flood that did hit a localized area. There is ample evidence to suggest a community was wiped out by a flood near the Dead Sea (iirc) around the time attributed to the flood story.

It all boils down to how true you think the bible is. The flood story is the breaker of many literalists. We have too much evidence that the story simply cannot be true as written. And that is the only point I am raising. If you don't think the bible is the absolute truth then we are on the same page.... or at least the same chapter.

[and-justice-for-all]

21. You can not find what never existed in the first place.

As with ALL biblical artifacts, they are not tangable items. You can only have "faith" that they existed in the first place. What is "faith"? Faith is believing what you know isnt so. You can not prove they exist and without a single shred of evidence they claim that their sacred items can not be disproven either. But thats the breaks, without ANYTHING to prove they exist, it is only plausable to confirm that they DO NOT Exist or never did. All they have is some writings in a book to make claims by, a book that is pure ficition.

There is NO evidence that g-d exist, put people put forth faith because they fear their own mortality. But in reality, death is exactly what it was like before you were born. Do you remember anything before you were born? What is the very first memory you can recall? I bet it has not thing to do with being in the Nephelum. Which is a ficticous place where souls reside until they are introduced into the flesh, the waiting room of souls if you will.

There is NOTHING after you die as there was NOTHING before you were born.