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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:33 PM
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Creationism v Evolution: The Real Miracle
God existed. God created the Universe in 7 days. God forgot that plants needed photosynthesis, which he created on the third day, so on the fourth day, he created the Sun to make sure plants and all that other green stuff got fed.

And thus, spake the bible in Genesis, that God performed the whole of Creation and it was good.

Okay, I don't know a whole lot about the bible, and I gave up religion as it was demanded of a Catholic when I was about 18 years old, so I really can't judge how it is that so many so-called Christians can truly look at the Book of Genesis and call it fact. I read a lot of mythology in my day, and no matter what the source of that mythology, I can't say that the first book in a Christian bible is any different in any way from Greek, Roman, Norse, Egyptian or Celtic mythology.

Christians, especially those of the fundie sub-sect or cult, as I call it, are really very short-sighted. Let's face it: according to them, God came, he saw, and he created. End of story. Yes--exactly that--END of story. The last two thousand years are shit. THEY think that the bee's knees of excitement happened 10,000 years ago, and everything exciting otherwise pales in comparison. They have fought wars over words in a book. They have murdered, they have starved people, they have made many to suffer, all for a few words in a book. They have ignored, nullified and denied the existence of all the other people on earth, all over a few words in a book. In fact, they haven't even got the BOOK right--the King James bible, the most well known version, has only existed since 1611, so a "proper" book didn't exist for 1611 years after the purported birth of the Christian savior.

But that's another argument. The main purpose of this post is about miracles.

The fundies like to believe that their God can do anything, can perform miracles and all that stuff. But yet, they choose to believe in a watered down creation myth that doesn't even get basic biology right. They choose to believe in the same sort of stories long in existence before their buddy Jesus came down to earth in all his schizophrenic glory to save "them" all from evil.

Okay, I don't know about anyone else, but their savior, and their souls are the biggest hoax since the alien autopsy. With the right kind of camera work, at least the alien autopsy looks great, but the fundamentalist version of Christ is completely phony. As is their cult, not even 150 years old.

And this is the thousand dollar question: how can these idiots believe in this simplistic creation myth when the REAL story of evolution is the most beautifully intricate miracle of all? How can these people accept the "7 days of creation" when the truth, spread over billions of years, awes even the most jaded scientist?

Look at the inner chambers of a Nautilus shell or an ammonite fossil. Look at the delicate human ear mechanism. Look at a star map, of the ever growing universe. Look at the human form in all its complexity and wonder even more how these people can come to the conclusion that we're the work of a god who took no delight in watching his "children" grow, evolve and become complicated beings, both physically and mentally.

The world as we know it, down to the last single celled organism, is the true miracle. Each and every inch of a vital, labyrinthine existence goes beyond any single element of the fundie subtext of life. No one in their world can understand the need for mosquitoes, for paramecia, for dragonflies, for bats or a million other forms of flora and fauna in the world. If a god wanted "order" in the world, he would make only those forms which were absolutely needed, and go no further, congratulating himself on a job well done.

But our world is a true miracle: each and every part of it is involved in some way with every other part of the world ecosystem. The mosquitoes are needed to keep the dragonflies and the bats happy, and the rest of the food chain is indeed complex enough to demand attention by virtue of each organism above it.

We can read the words in the bible of this egocentric cult and believe, just from our reading, that anyone who chooses to believe in that simplistic view of the world is not prepared to survive in the world as we know it for very long. From common sense alone, we know that the world is more than just words--more than just an unadorned existence. We know in our hearts, our minds and our souls that the world, and our lives, are intricate, poetic, and filled with wonder, in a way that a simple creation myth can never describe. And that is the greatest miracle of them all.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:15 AM
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1. You silly, silly person.
There was nothing 10,000 years ago. The universe is exactly 6,008 years, 31 days and 14 minutes old. Get an approved version of Bible and find our for yourself!
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:25 AM
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2. How indeed? I hate to answer a poetic post with a pragmatic response,
but I've been wondering about this lately, and though I am too tired to make this into a post, here are some of the things I was thinking about:

- Those who do not believe like us are not us. You are one of us, right? (Or other form of us vs. them, to perpetuate that kind of thinking)

- The story of the underdog, rags to riches, whatever, applied to the canny amateur inventor vs teh scientists; the story of the uneducated one who ended up rich, that kinda thing. (To set the ground for the start of that feeling, and to help it in its infancy)

- We must not let people think the Bible is wrong. It cannot be wrong, it's God's word after all. So where have these scientists gone wrong? (To start it all off, back in the here-comes-evolution days)

- Associate! Associate! Extermin... Associate evolution with all kinds of unpleasant things, shoring up the us vs them.

Finally,

- Feedback: When us vs them starts going, lots of good biologists and such, as they grow up would no longer like to be around their old social groups, and would eventually move away, as they are not treated as "one of us", thus keeping things split and allowing the movement to grow.

That is it, basically, as far as I can make out.
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