Anyone read the idiocy that is Perry Marshal?

[Goblinmonger]

Here is the conclusion to his "wonderful" atheist riddle.

So we know this:

Ideas always precede implementation, always, no exceptions.
All languages come from a mind. No exceptions.
There are no languages that do not come from a mind.
So we know that DNA was designed.
A mind designed DNA, therefore God exists.

Can this be refuted? Yes, if any exceptions to this can be found. But a lot of people have tried to refute it, unsuccessfully. It's an airtight inductive proof that life was designed by a mind. If anyone can find a flaw in the logic, it fails. Until that happens, it stands. It's just like the laws of thermodynamics, or gravity, or conservation of matter and energy. If anyone can find an exception, the law fails to hold.

This leads to what I call The Atheist's Riddle:

“Show me a language that does not come from a mind.”

It's so simple and a child can understand, but so complex no atheist can solve.

All the related blather can be found here:
http://www.usedtapes.com/ifyoucanreadthis2.htm

Here's this atheists riddle: How can people be this fucking stupid?

on edit: someone informed me it was "Perry" and not "Penny." Correction made. I was searching for riddles for something for an English class and came upon a link that referenced "Penny" Marshal's atheist riddle so I looked a bit. Should have looked further. Penny/Perry, still an asshat.

[Taverner]

1. And the banana! What about the banana!

This makes as much sense as the banana argument...

[Goblinmonger]

3. I bet

Perry and what's his face get together and talk about how smart and witty they are. The idiots rarely know they are idiots.

[Warpy]

18. You can answer the banana argument with one word: cashew

The language argument is thornier since most people don't have memories that extend back before they understood language (I have one, but only one) and most people don't do deep meditation that quiets the constant babbling in their heads and leads to amazing things non verbally, solutions that words never supplied.

Were we a population engaged in deep meditation instead of TV, the language argument would be seen as a silly one. Unfortunately, people who have no memory or experience of going beyond language are going to buy it.

[Goblinmonger]

21. Cashew is interesting, my go to one word answer is:

Pineapple.

[Warpy]

23. Pineapples reqire smashing against a rock

if you don't have a tool available to slice the peel off and then slice the meat off the core.

Cashews are from a poisonous fruit, one that causes the same skin reaction that poison ivy does.

[navarth]

2. Penny Marshall said this? Geez what a cluck.

But I'll bet she has a nice personality.

[Goblinmonger]

6. I thought that when I saw the name

but it is Perry.

[navarth]

14. Oh good grief.

Thanks for the correction.

....who the fuck is Perry Marshall? Oh don't bother

[Goblinmonger]

20. I don't know who Perry Marshall is

but I bet I'd hate him if I met him.

[geardaddy]

22. Looks like I'd hate him too.

Check out this mug.

[geardaddy]

4. Is this the Penny Marshall

from Laverne and Shirley?

That website is full of crap.

[Gato Moteado]

8. jinx

nt

[Goblinmonger]

9. No, it was my passing on a mistake

from a website that said it was Penny instead of Perry. What I get for clicking on random sites.

[Gato Moteado]

5. penny marshall from lavergne and shirley?

give us any chance we'll take it
give us any rule we'll break
we're gonna make our dreams come true
doin' it our way!

i don't believe it!

[geardaddy]

13. You forgot the:

Schmeegle, schmigle, hassenpfeffer incorporated.

[John Gauger]

35. Schlemiel & schlimazel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlemiel

[jimmyfungus]

34. But what does Fonzie have to say about it?

I respect what Penny Marshall has to say about the matter, but wouldn't Henry Winkler's views supercede Laverne's? I mean he is "the Fonze" after all. For example, I am pretty sure the Pope doesn't take theology lessons from the flying nun.


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mysteries of our universe solved here:
http://spiritual-political-self-help.blogspot.com/

[keep_it_real]

7. Why is what she said so stupid?

Is it possible that nature "lucked up" on something so complicated as all the DNA that is found in all spices of life on planet earth?

[Goblinmonger]

10. The problem with his "logic"

is the point where he forces DNA into being a language. The forcing is a figurative/metaphoric description of DNA as a language and then the leap to it being and ACTUAL language just happens. From there you have to prove that a language just happens when there is no proof, other than figurative, that DNA is a language.

And evolution isn't "chance" or "lucking up." Don't believe the propaganda.

[geardaddy]

16. First off,

snip

"...And then it has these four characteristics; it has an alphabet, it has grammar, it has meaning, and it has intent. Every language has those four things."

Nope, wrong, not every language has an alphabet, not even every language has a writing system.

[navarth]

17. ALL spices of life? Like cinnamon for example

Just kidding!! Don't throw that.

[SteppingRazor]

11. Wow, Perry, that is just a brilliant...

use of sophistry. :thumbsup:

[Goblinmonger]

12. Don't bring your

big college words into this discussion.

[SteppingRazor]

15. Sorry, couldn't help myself. Hey, did you take DNA in school?

I decided on Spanish instead. :eyes:

[Goblinmonger]

19. Nope, I was too busy

keeping up with the stuff in English like George Eliot (hard to stay away). I didn't have time to translate that wacky DNA stuff.

I think there might be a poem, here, though.

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[pingzing58]

24. It's an argument "non sequitor" / using the mind to language factoid he concludes there is a God.

[genie_weenie]

25. Even if accept the first 4 premises it's always the conclusion which

the ignorant theologians make a fatal mistake.

"Therefore, God exists" God and mind are not the same. The cause of languages and DNA does not have to be god, let alone the judeo-christian-islamic myth god.

For another similar argument that fails the same way and has a better more cogent analysis of the flaws go http://skatje.com/?p=380">here.

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[ZombieHorde]

29. the Genetic Code

There are several definitions of the word "code".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/code

It seems that the word "code" has a specific definition when referring to genetics.

15. Genetics. to specify the amino acid sequence of a protein by the sequence of nucleotides comprising the gene for that protein: a gene that codes for the production of insulin.

Though really, the definition of a word does not prove or disprove any god. It is just a definition.

p.s. Welcome to DU!

[cyborg_jim]

30. Is this guy for real or just a living parody?

[moobu2]

31. lol

It would be in the best interest of the entire world if there were to be an atheist holocaust. Get rid of the dishonest, immoral, miserable trash so the world can be full of peace and happiness.

[ZombieHorde]

28. If anyone can find a flaw in the logic, it fails.

The Naked Scientists Science Questions

Q: Do plants and trees communicate? David in Chelmsford

A: There is a form of chemical communication that goes on. There was some research done recently where they looked at plants having their leaves pulled off, and they found that the plants scream chemicals to signal that this damage has occurred. There are a number of chemicals produced. One of them is called ethylene (H2C=CH2) and that is a signal that tells the plant that it is being damaged to grow some more. It also makes fruit ripen. Bananas produce lots of it and so can help other fruit to ripen much faster. There is also communication between plants and the fungi in the soil (a mycorrhizal relationship). Fungus is very good at extracting water and minerals from the soil, and it swaps these with a plant, which will provide it with sugars to give it energy, so both benefit. People used to think that there were two species of thistle, a dwarf and a tall thistle, but they were both the same species, just with different fungi, referred to as Hartig nets, growing around their roots.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/content/questions/question/1388/

Alaska Science Forum

According to an article by Jeanne McDermott in the December 1984 issue of Smithsonian Magazine, researchers have found that trees can actively defend themselves against these serious insect attacks, even to the point of communicating a warning to other trees in the vicinity. This startling suggestion was first made in the spring of 1979 by chemist and zoologist Davey Rhoades, who was working at a field site outside Seattle. Rhoades took two groups of willow trees, infested one with caterpillars, and left the other alone as a control. Two weeks later, he plucked leaves from the trees which had been infested and fed them to caterpillars in the laboratory. He found that these caterpillars grew quite slowly. The surprising finding was that a diet of leaves from the non-attacked control trees nearby also caused the caterpillars to grow slowly. Both groups of trees had apparently flooded their leaves with an unsavory chemical that discouraged the insects' growth. Rhoades concluded that the attacked trees had slipped the control group a danger signal, and that this must have been done by releasing a chemical into the air.
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF7/762.html

[edhopper]

32. Of course this silly argument fails because

he must then ask this; Surely, God is a more complex being than man. Then if this organized complexity, this code must be designed. Who designed God. How could something as complex as God exist without being designed?
Hoisted on his own petard. Silly man.

[trotsky]

33. *giggle*

Is this really what's supposed to pass for the best "reasoning" theists can come up with?

And is equivocation the only tool this guy has in his rhetorical toolbox?