Godless propaganda (a little on the smug side)

[ZombieHorde]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ

[fasttense]

1. Now that is a logical, simple, argument (s) against god.

But it has always been there, the argument against god's existence. It was just put in a different way.

If God is all powerful, all loving and all knowing, why does evil exist?

My personal reminder when I get caught up the BS put out by religions.

If God is all powerful, all loving and all knowing, why did God allow a little girl to suffer from the time of her birth, constant physical, sexual and mental abuse from her father, chained to the basement wall, then die at the age of 12 from starvation and her injuries. Only the smell finally revealed this family's awful secret.

I remind myself of what happened to this little girl in DC when people push their god at me. If God can allow this innocent child to suffer for 12 long, horrible years, then I don't want anything to do with it.

[trotsky]

2. Certain religionists would have us believe...

that their god will help them find their car keys, or score the winning touchdown, or even noble things like heal someone. Their god cannot possibly exist, if a child like that can suffer and die alone. He'll break the rules for your convenience, so you can get a raise just in time for a larger mortgage payment, but he won't answer the pleas from a child being tortured? No entity so rotten, so callous, so purely evil could possibly exist.

[zonmoy]

3. why cant a being that evil exist

all it means is that god is pure evil and definitely not worth worshiping. not that he doesn't exist.

[trotsky]

4. Why would such a being allow any joy at all?

Why would it have bothered to create anything?

[moggie]

5. In order to have fun

Before you can blow up frogs, you need frogs.

[zonmoy]

6. exactly my point. You want to make something suffer and your a god

you need to create something so you can make it suffer.

[zonmoy]

9. an evil god would allow just enough pleasure to make the suffering

all the more unpleasant because the one suffering knows that there is joy and other pleasures that are denied to him/her.

[trotsky]

12. Still doesn't make sense.

Obviously an evil god would do all this because s/he/it (I'll use "shit" for shorthand) is deriving pleasure from watching people suffer. With infinity to work with, and therefore an infinite supply of people, eventually shit would have tortured everybody in every possible way. Shit will no longer take joy from torture - then what?

[ZombieHorde]

13. He watches us when we go to the bathroom. nt

[zonmoy]

14. think about the idea of eternity.

any kind of eternity would eventually become an eternity of boredom for any being that has any degree of intelligence. I figure that even if an evil god gets no pleasure out of tormenting people it still would have the effect of relieving his boredom.

[trotsky]

15. That's one of the reasons why I rejected the idea of eternal life long ago.

But are you saying that a repetitive pointless action makes eternity LESS boring than doing nothing?

Still not buying it.

[zonmoy]

16. your assuming of course that a being that has existed eternally is entirely sane.

I haven't found any humans that meet that criteria so there is no way that I would consider a god a sane being.

[edhopper]

11. Ooops

I duped post #7

[SidDithers]

7. I like the argument Epicurus made...

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?


Sid

[zonmoy]

8. Ah the riddle of epicurus

the argument that if you think about it and figure that god must by definition be able to stop evil then the only possible answer is that he is unwilling to stop evil and is in fact evil himself.

[nickpecoraro]

10. Good Golly Epicurus was Smart

Dear Sid,
I have seen that quote from Epicurus several times before.
It is a very powerful argument for Atheism.

Nice Going

Nick Pecoraro

[cynatnite]

17. That made a powerful impact on me the first time I read it n/t

[crawfish]

18. Smug, indeed.

the video set up any answers that might differ from his as rationalizations, discrediting any counterarguments before they are even made.

Thus, no real point in arguing.