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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:49 AM Original message |
Seriously, why does God allow suffering? |
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oregonjen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
1. God doesn't allow it, we do |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. What about famine, tsunamis, disease and so on? n/t |
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oregonjen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. I don't have any idea other than to bring us together and work for a better earth |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I'm still working on the answer n/t |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
94. If that's the best He can do, then... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. Famine very often is caused by poor human decisions. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. How about the suffering caused by poor human decisions? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. If you also take the view that this life is only preparation for the next, then when you die |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 01:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
112. famines are man-made |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #112 |
125. Drowning babies, burning people alive in lava... |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #125 |
148. let's look at it this way |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:07 AM Response to Reply #148 |
153. That still doesn't account for your God's atrocious... |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
96. Well, you said it, not me. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
166. we have free will. we allow it and God suffers, not the other way around. |
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yella_dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
2. Seriously? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. Indeed. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
3. Epicurus was on the right track with that. |
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keep_it_real (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
4. A lot of human suffering is caused by humans & can be ended by us |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
64. exactly. |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #64 |
136. Why are you apologizing for God? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
97. So why to those who have no say in things suffer the most? |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
5. those who believe in God can only guess why he does things |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. A more interesting question philosophically... |
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keep_it_real (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Ah, indeed, I have pondered that question myself |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:04 PM Original message |
for one who believes in God and is not a Christian |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
30. Very good. thank you for posting this. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
68. Oh, I agree about pain |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. I guess I'm thinking of involuntary suffering. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
113. But ineffability is a two edged sword |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #113 |
137. That's a very good point. n/t |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
8. Perhaps God can do nothing about the suffering in the first place |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Yes yes |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
98. Then he is not God. nt |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
9. You would probably enjoy reading |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Just bought it today at the bookstore... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
165. Or _Job:The Victim of His People_ by Rene Girard. nt |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
11. Like suffering... |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
13. It's the law of karma. Our suffering is payback for times we hurt others in the past. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. So, when a child suffers...they're getting what they deserve? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. All those starving babies are getting paid back for past acts? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
99. Absolute bullshit. |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
138. Claims presented without evidnce can be dismissed without evidence. n/t |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
14. Because we haven't held up our end of the bargain? |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. So, how when someone suffers, they brought it upon themselves? |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
36. Point is we are all deserving of that and worse.. |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
111. My, what a lovely, inspiring religion you subscribe to... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #36 |
130. What did all those dead babies do? nt |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #130 |
140. What did the Jews do to deserve to Holocaust? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #140 |
144. According to DadOf2LittleAngels |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #144 |
150. Good things. |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
139. Where is this assumption coming from? |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. I don't think they did bring it one themselves individually |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. And it makes absolutely no sense to me at all n/t |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. Also there is origional sin |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. "I can be acting in accordance with Gods will" |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Whats bold? |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. God didn't make those things happen to Paul and Peter, though...did he? n/t |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. All authority under heaven is granted by God! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Which origional sin? Curiosity? Doing what was told not to? |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Sins are passed through the generations |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. Would you put that in plain language please, not religious jargon. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. The origional sin |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Was the sin doing what they were told not to or having curiosity? |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. This was pretty clear.. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Thank you. So it was doing something they were told not to do. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. When you (or I) stand before God |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. I stand before God every day since God is in me and I am in God. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Thank you for your time |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. I don't understand how rejecting God's law... |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #71 |
91. If you really cant wrap your mind around it |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #61 |
114. And this is a bigger problem than theodicy! |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
131. So god is a petty and evil? Basicly GWB with more power? |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. So, we're too stupid to know what the big picture is? n/t |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. The big picture is glory to God |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. That line is still as idiotic as it was the first time my mother preached it to me... |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Sorry you feel that way |
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pingzing58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
141. Only a Jew or Christian would ask this question. For Muslims all is God's will. You accept it!!! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. what is "gloy to God"? I know it's a typo, but can't figure out what. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Fixed it, thanks.. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. What is "glory to god"? |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Some places to start |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. I am looking for your thoughts, your descriptions, not biblical quotes/jargon |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. What I mean |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #80 |
132. So being evil and petty is holy and perfect? |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
104. Did we get to pick which end of the bargain was ours? |
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jeanruss (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
15. free will |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. So, if a few thousand people die as a result of an earthquake.... |
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jeanruss (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #20 |
123. california |
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markbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
16. Um... because magical thinking solves nothing? |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
52. So according to #2 |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. That's because "shit happens". n/t |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. What about it? Let the body go, realize the body is not all there is. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. and those who love the person who dies |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #60 |
160. Are you telling me that my desire to not die in an earthquake is unreasonable? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
133. Life is suffering? |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
143. But all things are transient. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
19. Might I suggest reading... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
22. Because we pissed him off in the garden by listening to the fucking snake |
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ItNerd4life (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
57. lol |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
23. I dunno. Maybe God's evil and he enjoys suffering |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Maybe we're evil and God doesn't enjoy us. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
29. Seriously, did you know that there is a religion forum? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. 3rd really good answer here. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
31. Personally, I believe the universe is the equivalent of an uterus |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
41. For the same reason the moon is made of cheese, seriously! |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
48. Free Will. n/t |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #48 |
115. Sure |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
50. We ask ourselves questions like this one... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
51. because. there. is. NO. god. DUH!! |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #51 |
127. Interesting response |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
53. Know thyself |
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ItNerd4life (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
62. If we're his children, he's a terrible parent. |
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pansypoo53219 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
72. i often ask that question. |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
74. As an impartial non-believer |
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pink-o (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
75. You question is the one that turned me agnostic |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
81. because it's not God's job to make us happy |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. But that and, "don't worry, they'll all pay for it after they're dead", are the primary |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Or so many think. |
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THX1138 (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
83. Who? (n/t) |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
84. False presupposition. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
86. Clearly, it doesn't. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
87. The same reason that Cinderella allows slow drivers in passing lanes. |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
89. Occam's Razor... |
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Harry Monroe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
90. I got in trouble in Catholic elementary school for asking that question |
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Fireweed247 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
92. It builds character? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #92 |
134. So god kill babes to build their character? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
93. The two choices are: |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. exactly. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. If He's real, we are screwed. |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. pretty much the same for me. |
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crawfish (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
101. It's a matter of perspective... |
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5LeavesLeft (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Well stated, Crawfish! |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #101 |
118. "Ours not to reason why, ours but to do and die" |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
105. Because he/she doesn't exist? |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
106. If God exists, God is a sadist. nt |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
107. If a religion believes in an Omni-God; i.e. omni-benevolent, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent; |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Why? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #109 |
119. A god that has the power to solve a known problem at which it is present cannot also be all-loving |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #119 |
124. See post 108 for my reply |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #124 |
126. The issue has been debated for millennium without resolution. IMO you and I are not going to do |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #126 |
128. Yoo too, Jody |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
108. We likely aren't equipped to know why. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #108 |
159. It doesn't mean there is a good reason either |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-15-08 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
110. Why do you allow suffering? Really, what's up with this? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 08:42 AM Response to Reply #110 |
117. Are you addressing that to us, or to the Christian God? |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #117 |
120. He's also a bit more capable surely? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #117 |
149. What is the point of expressing bogus outrage against what you regard as a fiction? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:04 AM Response to Reply #149 |
152. I take it you were addressing us, then |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #152 |
164. Surely if suffering does not concern you one way or the other, then it is just silly |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:09 AM Response to Reply #149 |
154. Because the hypothesis we reject posits a god who WOULD do something |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #154 |
163. Nothing in this thread is defined with sufficient clarity to warrant your claim that |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
116. Harold Kushner's book WHEN BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #116 |
121. It's not a bad book, but Occam is useful too |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #121 |
155. Kushner's premise |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:46 AM Response to Reply #155 |
156. I never said it wasn't |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:57 AM Response to Reply #156 |
157. I see what you mean |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:59 AM Response to Reply #157 |
158. No prob. I know I get overly vague and convoluted at times. This was one such NT |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
122. God allows suffering because... |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
129. The reason we suffer is the same reason animals suffer and have suffered for billions of years. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
135. God is just really really clumsy, sometimes he trips over his robe and kills everyone in sight. |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
142. Suffering is a negative product of evolution. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #142 |
145. Deleted message |
Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. Any "what the fuck" attitude is a fiction of your imagination... |
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moobu2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #145 |
147. Ironic that the holocaust had its roots knee deep in Christianity |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-16-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #145 |
151. ??? |
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5LeavesLeft (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #151 |
161. May be I did respond to the wrong post |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. Well, I don't like it either. |
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Diamond Dog (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
167. Because there is no God. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Geez, keep it down, will ya? |
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