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Loisenman Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:46 AM
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ANOTHER SLANT ON CONSCIOUNESS: Vulnerability, Presence, and Power
"He is strong, rigid, and straight, with a point at one end, the better to penetrate resistance substances, and a strong head at the other. A few sharp and well directed strokes fix him firmly in place....He remains there, stalwart and unyielding until the material that he punctures softens and rots away and he himself becomes brittle and rusted. She, by contrast, is pliant, sleek and tapered, her purpose integrated continuously throughout her form, which is, however distinctively marked by a hole at one end. A thread, introduced through that orifice, is carried distributed and left behind to hold together and shape a unity out of separate fabrics, which, once joined,live out their collective identity long after she has passed to be of service elsewhere." (quoted from paper delivered by Hilde Hein at the Women's Studies Research Center at Brandeis University)

The strong proud nail is essential to the outer boundary layer that separate us from the environment--- our building and houses. The more humble and well traveled needle is essential to creating a boundary layer closer in--- our clothing. (snip) Yet we humans, both male and female, are made of the softer penetrable stuff on the outside at least. The boundary of our body with the external world, our skin and flesh, is soft and permeable like cloth. Because of this we can experience the kiss of a young spring breeze on our face and the joyful effervescence of bubble bath. Of course it also means we wound and tear. To keep out infection and to heal, we have to be sown together, with needles---and nowadays disappearing thread.

We are no crustaceans separated from the world by a hardened shell. Instead the tougher stuff, the more rigid part of our body, our bones, are hidden inside. When they break or fracture, nails---or even mental plates---may be required to keep them in place and maintain the integrity of our skeletal structure. We are made to be permeable to the external world and to each other. (In fact what are called mirror neurons in our brain make us mirror the feelings of others even when we are unaware of doing so.) To the extent that we experience and reveal our inherent vulnerability, we paradoxically reveal the stronger stuff inside. When Hillary's face revealed her vulnerability when her opponent came over to her podium in a debate during her first Senate campaign demanding she sign a statement, she seemed not only more likable, but stronger and more resilient. We saw the bones of her Being. This moment of being seems to have been the turning point in the race.

The truth is we can't keep out difficult feelings, and perhaps especially painful vulnerability. It is inherent in the curse and gift of consciousness. Even if we try to deflect them by projecting them outward and making sure others feel them instead, they still leave their mark on us---in our muscles and maybe even our bones. In some real sense we store the unpleasant feelings we wish to keep out inside our bodies. (Remember the old saying that you become what you resist.) Read More...

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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:53 AM
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1. Another plug for your web site?
You seem to post here on rare occasions and leave links to your own web site.

Are you just advertising?
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Loisenman Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:52 AM
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2. It is a blog pieces I have written that I feel would be of interest
Wow. I post blog pieces I write that are relavant to Religion or Spirituality here. They are much longer than the four paragraph limit allowed here; I referenced my blog so that they can be read in their entirety by interested readers. Many other people find them of value, and on occasion even inspiring? What harm does it do you? You might read this one especially in its entirety. Its message is one that might do you some good. Why not come in from the cold?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:51 AM
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3. "Why not come in from the cold"...
Thats a bit patronizing don't you think? It SOUNDS like you assume because Cosmik Debris isn't "spiritually orientated" (ie an atheist) that he MUST be lacking something...This is something that really bothers me, that so many assume that because atheists don't have "spirituality" or "godliness" in their lives they MUST be unhappy and unfulfilled....:banghead:
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 06:15 AM
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9. A lot of people who are "spiritually orientated" are atheists
and a lot of atheists are "spiritually oriented".
This is something that really bothers me, that so many atheists assume that because they don't have "spirituality" in their lives they assume NO atheists have spirituality in their lives.

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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:05 AM
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13. not that many
The stereotype of the cold, dead, unhappy and spiritually dead athiest is MUCH MUCH MORE prevalent. Or don't you listen to what the Repubs say about us godless liberal types?
And yes, I have NEVER met an atheist with a spiritual bent..I've met agnostics though.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:35 AM
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15. What the fuck does Spiritually oriented even mean?
Please, somebody tell me what the hell spirituality is, because I frankly don't fucking get it.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:10 AM
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4. There are several posters
who only visit this forum to discuss their own ideas.

You are one of those.

After a while it begins to look suspiciously like vanity.
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Loisenman Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:15 PM
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5. It does no harm and might be doing some good
Perhaps I am reading too much into what to say, but it sounds like this online community is important to you. If so, I appreciate that. Although I understand how the fact that some people just post their own ideas here without participating in the ongoing discussion might irk you, I don't believe that it is a feeling you should indulge. We are all different and have different things to offer, and at different times may have different things to offer.

I don't have the time to participate the way you do. I spend a lot of time putting my blog pieces together, besides my very full schedule with my regular work. Moreover the focus in much of the discussion is somewhat different than my interests. I am much more interested in spirituality than religion. I do have something to add with respect to spirituality, which is why I occasionally post here. I also value some of the responses I have gotten. It is not vanity, but rather the desired to share my insights and perspectives. It does no harm, and might be doing some good.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:29 PM
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6. I hope your sense of self-importance is justified,
But I haven't seen it.

You used the pronoun "I" eleven times in only two paragraphs--but it is not vanity.

:)
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 06:09 AM
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8. Your sense of self-importance certainly isn't.
Why are you just trolling and disrupting her post?
You have nothing better to do?
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:36 AM
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11. It's not all about me.
Self promotion for the purpose of stroking my own ego is not my thing.

If ego masturbation is your thing, please continue. Don't let me get in the way.

I'll just stand aside and giggle.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:03 AM
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12. So how's life in Waco?
Are your neighbors still waiting for David Koresh to rise from the dead?
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 06:17 AM
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10. There are several posters
who have no ideas of their own.
You are one of those.

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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:08 AM
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14. Wow. Nice attack
CD has plenty of ideas of his own. Too many according to some no doubt As I've seen before in your snarky posts its obvious that "having no ideas of their own" really means "anyone who disagrees with me has no ideas...".:eyes:
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 06:08 AM
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7. The four-paragraph limit is to avoid copyright problems
Since you wrote it yourself, you are welcome to post the whole thing.
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