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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:03 PM
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If human beings never lived to be older than 32 years old...
Edited on Tue Jun-10-08 10:07 PM by Boojatta
but human beings also didn't experience physical pain, then would there be, in your opinion, no significant theological problem of suffering?

Would the problem of suffering simply be replaced by the problem of why people never live for more than 32 years, but tortoises and parrots do?
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:06 PM
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1. If all human beings liked peppermint
but some humans beings got a headache when they ate peppermint, then would there be no such thing as Atheism in your opinion?

Would the problem of atheism simply be replaced by the problem of why some people get headaches when they eat peppermint.

Inquiring minds want to know.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:15 PM
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2. Why not start your own thread to pose those questions?
Edited on Tue Jun-10-08 10:17 PM by Boojatta
I figure that 32 is a realistic maximum life expectancy. An ordinary human female is biologically capable of producing children at age 16. Some would die in childbirth, but others would survive. By age 32, the mother could have 16-year-old children who themselves begin having children.

In extreme cases, physical pain can be a problem. However, I get the impression that under conditions of what we may call "contemporary civilized society", most young adults who are old enough to enter into contracts would refuse to enter into an irrevocable contract that would limit their life expectancy to 32 years in exchange for immunity from physical pain. This is presuming that immunity from physical pain could be actually provided and that the contract would be legal.

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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:28 PM
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4. Correct
Which means that the life we have been provided is preferable to one in which we are immune from physical pain.

Actually, some people have a form of immunity from physical pain with respect to certain parts of their bodies. It causes them quite a lot of problems. They are called lepers.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:49 PM
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6. I take it you are under 32?
Who is going to kill all these 32 year olds?
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:22 AM
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12. If a woman died in childbirth at 16, you don't believe there is any suffering involved? - n/t
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heidler1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:35 PM
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13. I'm 82 and seldom feel any pain, sleep 8 hrs, am happy, and an Atheist since 11.
The question seems to assume after 32 pain is normal. I believe it is abnormal. I've never had head aches. Never been fired. Always believed over stressing the body in sports or work was apt to cause trouble in later years. I've never taken any drug to enhance body function.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:20 PM
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3. Negative. Buyers' Remorse.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:31 PM
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5. Runner!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:30 PM
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7. As long as suffering exists -- including emotional suffering -- then the
Edited on Tue Jun-10-08 11:32 PM by pnwmom
theological problem would be meaningful.

For example, if people died at 32, then many young children would suffer the loss of their parents. Younger spouses or loved ones would also suffer an emotional loss.

If there was no suffering at all, then the theological problem wouldn't exist.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:35 PM
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8. Then there would be emotional suffering
wich would take us back to the lack of hope.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:38 PM
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9. Do people suffer emotionally because they don't hope to live to age 150?
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:45 PM
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10. They would suffer to see their friends and family die when they are young
at 32 a person would have a teenager son or daughter if that person choose to reproduce at age 15 but what about if that person choose to reproduce at age 25 or 28, how many years those kids would share their live with their parents?
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:25 AM
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11. Pain is not suffering.
Pain is a reaction to a physical stimulus. Suffering is created by our minds.

People often suffer when a loved one dies, for example. When another person dies, there is no direct physical stimulus to create pain, the suffering is created solely by our mental attachment to the loved one.

So, to address your example, in the absence of physical pain, people could and probably would still suffer.
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