N. Va Islamic textbooks, "It's okay to kill converts from Islam and adulterers"

[genie_weenie]

McLEAN, Va. - Textbooks at a private Islamic school in northern Virginia teach students that it is permissible for Muslims to kill adulterers and converts from Islam, according to a federal investigation released Wednesday.

Other passages in the school's textbooks state that "the Jews conspired against Islam and its people" and that Muslims are permitted to take the lives and property of those deemed "polytheists."

The passages were found in selected textbooks used during the 2007-08 school year by the Islamic Saudi Academy, which teaches 900 students in grades K-12 at two campuses in Alexandria and Fairfax and receives much of its funding from the Saudi government.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25106145/">More from the MSNBC story.

Hurrah religion!

[tom_paine]

1. Can't the horrible fundies, Christian and Muslim alike, fight it out, and leave the rest of us alone

Why do they have to keep dragging US into their little intramural conflict?

THAT is the problem. Fundie whackos, and I don't care WHICH religion they follow.

Hell, there are Jewish Fundies as nutty as anything the Bushies or the Terrorists could come up with.

The problem is fundamentalism and it's cousin, self-righteous ignorance.

[kestrel91316]

3. There are apparently even Hindu fundie whackos, if you can believe it.

They can ALL go pound sand as far as I'm concerned.

Dear people: Your religion belongs inside your head as a BELIEF SYSTEM, where you can think whatever weird stuff you want. Your behavior is subject to laws and MAY NOT impinge on anybody else's fundamental civil rights. WTF is so DIFFICULT about this concept?

And yes, printing murderous crap in a book and then teaching it to others qualifies as BEHAVIOR - it's called incitement to murder.

[Warpy]

4. A fundie is a fundie is a fundie

and they're all the same, no matter which god they blame for what they're doing to the rest of us.

There was even a story a couple of years ago about monks from different sects of Buddhism passing each other on a road in Thailand and coming to blows over doctrinal conflict. The monks were all disrobed and sent packing by their abbots, but it still shows how any dogma at all is a dangerous thing in the hands of those with a fundamentalist mindset.

There were also fundie Communists and there are fundie Randorrhoids, each with holy writ and each just as unpleasant as the most rabid Islamic fundie.

If we need to be saved from any of our fellow humans on this planet, it has to be the certain, the people who are so sure that their vision is the only correct one that they will kill anyone who disputes it.

[HamdenRice]

5. How true!

"A fundie is a fundie is a fundie" as you put it, and I agree 100%, whether it's about fundie belief in god or otherwise.

[varkam]

10. Thanks for playing!

:hi:

[notfullofit]

6. I don't believe the article

is referring to Christian or Jewish 'fundies'.

[tom_paine]

7. So? That has nothing to do with the point I made.

Are you trying to argue that Christian fundies, who have abetted a tyrannical takeover of America and a wholesale shredding of our Constitution, are any better because they aren't violent right at this moment.

Just WHO do you think was lynching all those African-American in the South from 1866-1970, Liberal Christians?

I don't care if the article mentions Christian or Jewish fundies, it changes NOTHING I have said.

Plus, give it a few more years of Bushiganda and political control, Peak Oil and Climate Change, ruined economy and worthless dollar, and the Christian Fundies will return to their old Confederate Murderers' ways, mark my words.

That's why it's so improtant to stop the Bushies NOW and turn back their evil movement, before our descendants have to live in that hell.

Not all fundamentalists, of course. There are good people and bad people in every division of humanity, fundamentalists included. But let's just say fundamentalism more frequently seems to lead to evil than good.

It is implied within every generalization that there are numerous exceptions.

[acmavm]

2. Islamic SAUDI Academy???

[sinkingfeeling]

8. I do believe that the Bible also encourages the killing of adulterers and those who

do not believe in the 'one true god'. Many 'Christian' schools use the Bible as a textbook. This is a Saudi education-based school.

[Occam Bandage]

9. Not in the New Testament. John 8:7-11 (KJV)

he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Fundamentalists are nuts--this particular school included.

[notfullofit]

12. That is not so.

For the last 2,000+ years, since the birth of Christ, the Bible teaches us all to love one another.

The laws of the Old Testament (B.C) ended with His birth.

[John Gauger]

15. That is not so.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:17-8

Thanks for playing.

[Marrah_G]

14. Do you know of any Christian schools teaching children that murder is good?

Or that murder is even encouraged? if so please make a phone call and report them.

This goes beyond religion and crosses a line that we deem sacred in this country.

The world would be a better place if these types of religions went the way of the dinosaur.

[John Gauger]

16. And people who break the Sabbath.

Don't forget the guy who was picking up sticks and wasn't even Jewish, but was stoned to death. For picking up fucking sticks. Why is that retained? I would think any reasonable person would have tossed that writing out, because it clearly has no use.

[TechBear_Seattle]

11. Wahhabism is the most fanatical form of Islam. It is also the state religion of Saudi Arabia

And, Wahhabism is the chief theology of Muslim extremists such as the Taliban and al-Qaida. Every penny the US supplies to Saudi Arabia, be it in the form of petroleum revenue, government aid or preferential treatment, ends up in the hands of terrorists.

[Marrah_G]

13. "Muslims are permitted to take the lives and property of those deemed "polytheists.""

Just let em try !

This must cross the line of free speech. Teaching children that killing myself and my children and taking our things is okay?

The fucking school should be shut down.

[Occam Bandage]

17. That's more aimed at Christians, actually, though it does provide a nice bookend

to the Muslim world when one considers the geographical 'centers' of Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism.

You see, while I'm sure they'd happily include neopagans (I'm afraid I don't recall your exact sect or preferred designation, so apologies if I offend) such as yourself in their Grand Plan of Destruction, "polytheist" is a common radical-Muslim slur for Christians, as Muslims believe the Trinity is incompatible with monotheism.