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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:46 PM
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In Islam, what prophets are recognized and what books record messages of those prophets?
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 12:48 PM by Boojatta
For example, is Jesus considered to be a prophet in Islam? Do Muslims also believe that the Koran provides the oldest surviving record of Jesus' message?

How about Ezekiel, Isaiah, and Moses? Are they considered to be prophets in Islam?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:49 PM
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1. I know my Muslim son-in-law considers Jesus a prophet.
I would assume the others, as well, but I'll ask him the next time we speak. :)
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:53 PM
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2. According to the Koran, what did Jesus say and do?
It seems meaningless to say that Jesus was a prophet until we know what Jesus is alleged to have said and done.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 04:05 PM
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7. Allow me to assist.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:59 PM
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3. Abraham, Moses and Jesus are all in the Qur'an
The Muslims believe that when their Christ returns called the Mahdi, Jesus will return with him to help establish the kingdom of God.

The Qur'an says that Jesus did not die on the cross but was made to appear as dead.

There are Qur'ans on line that you can read; just do a google.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:08 PM
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5. "There are Qur'ans on line that you can read"
Are you assuming that I can read the Arabic language? Are you assuming that free online English translations of the Qur'an are accurate?

Besides the claim that Jesus didn't die on the cross, what does the Koran say about Jesus that conflicts with the New Testament's claims about Jesus?
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:22 AM
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16. There is a good reason why the Jesus in the Quran is different from the Jesus of the NT
At the time of Muhammad, most Christians in the Arabian penninsula were Nestorians. Nestorianism holds that the man, Jesus, and the divine nature, Christ, were totally separate and distinct.

By the 6th century, Nestorianism had adopted a number of Gnostic beliefs. One of those beliefs was that Jesus was not tortured and executed by the Romans; instead, it was Simon of Cyrene, mentioned in the Synoptic Gospels as being forced to carry Jesus' cross for a time. The basis of this belief is the doctrine that Jesus was a "perfect man" who had transcended physical form and no longer had a material body. To both satisfy Hebrew prophesy and protect believers from Roman scrutiny, one of Jesus' followers was selected by lot to die in his place and, in death, attain the same perfection.

Because these were the Christians that Muhammad knew, this was the form of Christianity that was written into the Quran. That the Nestorians were considered heretics by mainstream Christians was probably never known by Muhammad.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:05 PM
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4. I don't know your point in this
since you could look it up online yourself. So what's your agenda?




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Camel in caravan. Photo copyrighted. Courtesy of Eden Communications.

Over 1400 years ago, Muhammad (Mohammed) was born in Arabia. His father Abdullah was of the tribe of Qureyshi, and died before Muhammad was born.

As a lad, Muhammad traveled to Syria with his uncle on merchant caravans. Years later, he made the same journey while working for a wealthy widow named Khadijah. He later married her and, even though he was 15 years younger than she was, they had a good marriage.

Muhammad soon gained rank among the notables of Mecca. The Meccans claimed to be descendants of Abraham (Ibrahim).

As one who abhorred evil, Muhammad detested those who disobeyed the Scriptures. He was familiar with the teachings of the Jewish and Christian holy book the Bible (perhaps in reading it himself, if he was literate, or in learning of it through oral means via storytelling). He was very upset with the hypocrisy among the people: the idol worship, and anything dishonoring to God was very revolting to Him. He believed that Allah had revealed the Torah and the gospels (the Injil).

"ALLAH is HE besides Whom there is none worthy of worship, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. HE has sent down to thee the Book containing the truth and fulfilling that which precedes it; and HE has sent down the Torah (Law of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guidance to the people; and HE has sent down the Discrimination (judgement between right and wrong)." -- Qur'an, Surah 3:3-4

One who was greatly respected by Muhammad was Abraham (Ibrahim), whom he called an upright and righteous man.

"Abraham was indeed a paragon of virtue, obedient to ALLAH, ever inclined to HIM, and he was not of those who set up equals with ALLAH; Ever grateful for HIS favours: HE chose him and guided him to a straight path. And WE bestowed on him good in this world, and in the Hereafter he will surely be among the righteous. And now WE have sent revelation to thee, enjoining, 'Follow the way of Abraham who was ever inclined to ALLAH and was not of those who set up equals to HIM.'" -- Qur'an, Surah 16:121-124

Abraham was also looked upon as one who fulfilled God's commands:

"And remember when his Lord tried Abraham with certain commandments which he fulfilled, HE said, 'I will make thee a leader of men.' Abraham asked, 'And from among my offspring?' God said, 'MY covenant does not embrace the transgressors.'" -- Qur'an, Surah 2:125

Muhammad also had great understanding of the scriptures and faith in the angels who told Zechariah he would have a son (as in Luke 1:18, 57-60).

"So her Lord accepted her with gracious acceptance and caused her to grow an excellent growth and made Zachariah her guardian. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the chamber, he found with her provisions. He said, 'O Mary whence hast thou this ?' She replied, 'It is from ALLAH.' Surely ALLAH gives to whomsoever HE pleases without measure.

Then and there did Zachariah pray to his Lord, saying, 'My Lord grant me from Thyself pure offspring; surely thou art the Hearer of Prayer.'

And the angels called to him as he stood praying in the chamber, 'ALLAH gives thee glad tidings of Yahya, who shall testify to the truth of a word from ALLAH - noble and chaste and a Prophet, from among the righteous.

He said 'My Lord, how shall I have a son, when old age has overtaken me already, and my wife is barren?' He answered, 'Such is the way of ALLAH; HE does what HE pleases,'

He said 'My Lord, give me a commandment.' He replied, 'The commandment for thee is that thou shalt not speak to men for three days except by signs.

And remember thy Lord much and glorify HIM in the evening and in the early morning.' And remember when the angels said, 'ALLAH has chosen thee and purified thee and chosen thee above all women of the time.

'O Mary, be obedient to thy Lord and prostrate thyself and worship the one God with those who worship HIM.'

This is of the tidings of things unseen which WE reveal to thee. And thou was not with them when they cast their arrows, as to which of them should be the guardian of Mary, nor was thou with them when they disputed with one another.

When the angels said, 'O Mary, ALLAH gives thee glad tidings of a son through a word from HIM; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God;

'And he shall speak to the people in the cradle, and when of middle age, and he shall be of the righteous.

She said, 'My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me? He said, 'Such is the way of ALLAH. HE creates what HE pleases. When HE decrees a thing HE says to it 'Be,' and it is;" -- Qur'an, Surah 3:38-48

Muhammad also speaks of the resurrection of Jesus:

"Thereupon she pointed to him. They said, 'How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?' Jesus said, 'I am a servant of ALLAH. HE has given me the Book, and has made me a Prophet; 'And HE has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me Prayer and almsgiving so long as I live; 'And HE has made me dutiful towards my mother, and has not made me arrogant and graceless; 'And peace was on me the day I was born, and peace will be on me the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again.' That was Jesus, son of Mary. This is a statement of the truth concerning which they entertain doubt." -- Qur'an, Surah 19:30-35

http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/quran-jesus.html
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:10 PM
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6. The thread title refers to Islam.
Are you suggesting that all information about Islam is contained in the Koran?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 04:06 PM
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8. I think what he's saying (and which I would agree to)
is that all the information you're looking for could easily and quickly be found on numerous websites.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:57 PM
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10. Please find it and post it in this thread.
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Azooz Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:46 PM
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9. prophets and messengers
Islamic theology accepts over 400 of the ancient Jewish prophets, and those of them with messages from God are honored with the title "Messenger" - Jesus (pbuh) is mentioned in the Quran as the Messiah and his mother (pbuh) as the best of all women in creation.

The Quran says that all God's messengers and all the holy books said the much the same things, but were changed like the Bible - also mentioned in the Quran is that there were prophets that God did not tell of.

There is more mention of Jesus (pbuh) in the Quran than Mohamed (pbuh), and that the Jesus (pbuh) will return as the Messiah - it's a different version than the one presented by Christian theology, but ends in peace on Earth to.

That's my limited knowledge, but I hope it helped - I'm not an Imam but I can read the Quran and wish I could translate it with even a bit of what great wording that is in there - when you read a bit about Jesus (pbuh) mind that the following and preceding verses are related even if the do not appear to in English.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:00 PM
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11. Welcome to DU!
:toast:

Note: the beverage in the above picture is pineapple juice. I hope you like it.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:02 PM
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12. "over 400 of the ancient Jewish prophets"
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 06:03 PM by Boojatta
Is Ezekiel one of those ancient prophets?
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Azooz Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 06:31 PM
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13. Is Ezekiel one of those ancient prophets?
Thanks - still getting used to DU.

I do not know the answer to that, some of those mentioned in the Quran are only referred to and need more knowledge than I have - too lazy to ;)
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:49 PM
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14. Azooz, I observe that following the name "Jesus", you added the letters "pbuh."
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 07:51 PM by Boojatta
However, at least one DU member has seen the letters pbuh
only in reference to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Therefore, I ask you to select one of the following options:

1. You were displaying your ignorance.
2. You were enthralled by your own cleverness.
3. None of the above.
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Azooz Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 02:15 AM
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15. I'll go with #1 - but I'm still right
My ignorance displays itself often enough without too much help from me - you'll notice it most when I start pretending to know theology, a few lines into it and I lose track. I wrote "pbuh" automaticaly and with no thought like many Muslims in English, but I did write it properly.

PBUH is to be mentioned after the name of each of the 400+ prohets and messengers of God. It means (Peace be Upon Him) and is for all of them and starts with Adam (pbuh) all the way up to Mohamed (pbuh), and in the 5 daily prayers we also say it emphasized for Abraham (pbuh).
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