For some people here swallowing a Fundie Christian talking point about Islam

[UndertheOcean]

No, Allah has nothing to do with an ancient moon God .... There are a lot of aspects of Islam we can criticize , but lets not propagate Falsehoods.

[Dorian Gray]

1. I'm lost....

I guess you're referring to another thread?

[UndertheOcean]

2. Yes , this one :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3488186&mesg_id=3488359

[Dorian Gray]

3. Thanks

I didn't see that. Off to read!

[UndertheOcean]

4. take care

[pegleg]

5. There is at the very least an historical connection as is represented by the crescent.

But to say that Allah is an ancient moon god is certainly unprovable.

[cosmik debris]

6. Like the first Sunday after the first FULL MOON after the vernal equinox?

[pegleg]

7. Exactly. Much of Islam is heavily influenced by Judeo-Christianity.

[cosmik debris]

8. From the outside looking in

It is hard to tell where one superstition ends and another one begins.

They all just sorta run together.

[pegleg]

9. I enjoy your remarks Cosmik. I understand your point of view 'cause

I used to be just like you.

[cosmik debris]

10. That's doubtful

You have no idea what I'm like. And if you were just like me, you would still be like me.

[pegleg]

11. Scary, ain't it?

[cosmik debris]

12. Scary?

No, not really.

Since I don't believe you, I have no reason to be scared.

But I can see why you might be.

[pegleg]

13. You are certainly free to believe or not, which ever you so choose.

But there was certainly a time my answers would be the echo of yours. That side of yourself is very evident.

[cosmik debris]

14. You have my sympathy. n/t

[pegleg]

15. Thank you ever so much. That's very touching.

[conscious evolution]

16. Did you see Zietgiest?

The first part of the movie deals with religion and mythology and how so many religions are built upon the mythology of previous dominant religions.
Pretty interesting stuff,imo.

[dmallind]

17. Well after all

Yahweh was an Edomite sky god before the Israelites borrowed him, and eventually fused him with El who was a Canaanite chief god among many originally.

All gods are syncretic and derivative to some extent. Humans have had gods for 70,000 years, and none of the biggies still extant have been around for more than about 5-6% of that.

[TechBear_Seattle]

18. To be fair, he was probably a Hebrew god too

Most of the early Semitic languages were closely related, and the religions of the various Semitic peoples (Akkadians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Edomites, Moabites, Phonecians, Canaanites and several others) were all closely related.

The early Semitic religion has been partially reconstructed, although the facts are sketchy and disputed. It seems likely that the Hebrew god Yah is the same deity as I'ah, an Egyptian moon deity whose cult appeared during the Second Intermediate Period, when the Semitic Hyksos had overthrown the pharaohs and ruled Egypt as the Fifteenth and possibly Sixteenth Dynasties. I'ah was a war god, as were most of the Semitic sky gods, and it is very interesting to note that the various epithets found in the Old Testament also refer to Semitic sky and war gods. El Elyon, "the god above all gods," is used to be God; El Shadda'i, "the god who overpowers" was a title used by several war gods. Adonai, "the masters", and Elohim, "the gods", were used to mean the chief group of gods, usually worshipped together in the same ceremony.

The two chief rivals of the Hebrew god, Ba'al and Asherah, tell their own story. Ba'al simply meant "lord" or "ruler", and the title was used in association with many gods. Used as a name, however, it always was an epithet for Hadad, the god of the rains. Asherah was the goddess of the fertile earth, and with Hadad made up the central deities of the settled, agriculturally based Semitic peoples. As in many cultures, the war gods were at odds with the fertility gods, representing the early struggle between those who kept a nomadic lifestyle and those who had settled and planted crops.

[dmallind]

19. True - and even more confusing is....

...that Asherah was in fact (well not in fact but you know what I mean ;) ) married to El - another one of the biblical names used for this supposedly sole "God" who spends an awful lot of time talking about "us". In some psalm I can't recallright now it even has El specifically taking his seat in an assembly of gods. A lot of people don't realize (guessing you probably do) that the Psalms are some of the oldest parts of the Bible, and were probably first written down in henotheistic rather than monotheistic times.

[Darwins Doberman]

20. Allah has nothing to do with anything

considering Allah is simply some illiterate bedouin pedophile's version of the creator god, anything beyond saying "Allah doesn't exist" is propogating a falsehood.