The Mormon Church was behind 9-11...1857

[IndianaGreen]

Mountain Meadows Massacre
Sept. 11, 1857

"I had many to assist me at the Mountain Meadows. I believe that most of those who were connected with the Massacre, and took part in the lamentable transaction that has blackened the character of all who were aiders or abettors in the same, were acting under the impression that they were performing a religious duty. I know all were acting under the orders and by the command of their Church leaders; and I firmly believe that the most of those who took part in the proceedings, considered it a religious duty to unquestioningly obey the orders which they had received. That they acted from a sense of duty to the Mormon Church." (...Life and Confessions of John D. Lee..., p. 213)

http://www.greaterthings.com/Topical/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre/

In case you are not familiar with these events, it is best known as the 1857 Mountain Meadows Massacre. It involved a number of Mormons, dressed up like Native Americans, who ambushed a wagon train heading towards California from Arkansas. After the pioneers on the wagon train surrendered, the Mormons slaughtered every last one of them, some by gunshot and some by bashing in their skulls when they ran out of bullets. All in all, 120 people were killed. Only 17 children under the age of 10 survived. The pioneers were buried in mass graves.

One might wonder why the Mormons would kill these people so mercilessly. Well, these people weren't Mormons. Thus they deserved to be killed, at least according to then President of the LDS Brigham Young.

http://bloggingpoints.blogspot.com/2007/01/mormon-massacre-at-mountain-meadows.html

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

1. PBS had a great short series on The Mormons, and the Mountain

Meadow incident, which I never heard of before, totally floored me. They were a murderous lot.

And yes, that date stuck in my mind. I wonder if that date has a significance in freemasonry, which some of Mormon "Magic" is based on?

[IndianaGreen]

2. Brigham Young was a pedophile and a terrorist

No accident they kept the young girls survivors, and took them for their wives.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. On a spiritual level, I believe the beginning energies of any entity, ie group

of people, countries, etc, permeate those cultures throughout. In the case of LDS, you still have fundamentalist followers of Brigham Young believing that this horrific behavior is still ok.

I often say that our country was founded in violence, and that is why we continue to be one of the most violent places on this planet. A new headline... 8 year old boy was arrested for pre-meditated murder of his father and uncle, and the police want to charge him as an adult! Would they execute him as adult? State sanctioned murder is murder to me and it tells the collective consciousness that murder is acceptable on some level. The dysfunctional will interpret that murder is ok without the filter.

The way to stop this cycle is with a holistic change. Recognizing those energies and dispelling them. My wish is that our new President will assist on doing that.

[niyad]

14. I agree with your view. a completely holistic change is needed, and I would love to be around to

help bring it about.

regardless of the very sanitized version of "history" most learn in the american educational system, this country was, as you say, founded on violence--see howard zinn's, "a people's history of the united states". sadly, many are not aware of this.

[niyad]

10. have you read the book "patriarchs and politics" by marilyn warenski? an excellent critique

of the subservient position of women within LDS. don't forget that sonia johnson was excommunicated from the LDS simply for supporting the ERA.

[niyad]

3. were?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

4. I don't want to make a blanket statement about All Mormons today.

Back then, this was a concerted effort by the whole self-exiled group.

[niyad]

15. did you ever hear about the mormon forgery murders?

From Library Journal
Mark Hofmann, 32, pled guilty to two bombing murders in Salt Lake City in 1985, a case that made national headlines. Apparently a successful rare documents collector and church-going family man, Hofmann was really a skillful forger and con artist. A third bomb accidentally exploded in his car, sending Hofmann to the hospital and his undoing. Many of his forgeries cast doubt on traditional views of early Mormonism and were potentially embarrassing to church leaders who purchased them. The leaders were in contact with Hofmann just prior to the murders, which were an attempt to prevent discovery and financial ruin. Hofmann killed an associate andto divert suspiciona stranger. Both books about this complex and fascinating case are well researched. The Mormon Murders is scathing in its criticism of the Mormon hierarchy for trying to cover up its involvement with Hofmann. The authors, both attorneys, believe that the prosecutor, a Mormon, was pressured to plea bargain in order to avoid a trial. Salamander, published in Salt Lake City by writers familiar with Mormon society, is a more matter-of-fact report, and while it is less dramatic, it is detailed and intelligent. The Mormom Murders may attract more readers, but both books can be recommended. Gregor A. Preston, Univ. of California Lib., Davis
Copyright 1988 Reed Business Information, Inc. --

http://www.amazon.com/Salamander-Story-Mormon-Forgery-Murders/dp/0941214877

[niyad]

5. don't forget that there is a disproportionately high number of mormons in the fbi and cia

and that one of the avowed tenets of the LDS is that they are supposed to be running the US.


they pretty much divide everything in the world into "faith-affirming" or "not faith-affirming"--and one of the things on their "not faith-affirming" list is for mormons to actually study the history of their strange cult.

one of my favourite authors, colorado native steven white, wrote a mystery called "higher authority" which centers on the LDS--and even though it is a work of fiction, he has done some of the best research on LDS I have ever seen:


Higher Authority (1994)

"Sinister and scary." - New York Times

Stephen White sets his third and most richly achieved novel against a uniquely American landscape, that created by the Mormon followers of Joseph Smith in a place now known as Utah, which Brigham Young called Deseret.
The sudden death of Utah's Senator Orrin Hatch propels his successor, Lester Horner, first into Hatch's Senate seat and then on to become the first Mormon associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Carried along with Horner is Blythe Oaks, an ambitious and intelligent woman who is also Horner's favorite law clerk and fellow Mormon. But Blythe's reputation—and, by extension, Lester Horner's—is threatened when a female former employee accuses her of sexual harassment and career sabotage.
In Higher Authority White shifts his focus from Dr. Alan Gregory, the hero of Privileged Information and the national bestseller Private Practices, to Alan's fiancée, Lauren Crowder. The pool-shooting deputy D.A.'s life is already complicated enough as she picks her way through her relationship with Alan at the same time she is fighting her quiet and dignified battle with multiple sclerosis. But since Blythe's accuser happens to be Lauren's kid sister, aspiring stand-up comic Teresa Crowder, Lauren plunges into the case. And she gets immediate help from an old law school buddy, Robin Torr, whose practice is in Salt Lake City.
When, suddenly, Blythe Oaks is savagely murdered in Washington D.C., the lengths to which someone will go to protect secrets that might prove embarrassing to higher authorities in the church are starkly revealed. And as Crowder and Torr probe more and more deeply into these secrets, with timely help from Alan Gregory and his old friend Detective Sam Purdy of the Boulder, Colorado police, White's tough but determined women find the body count growing and themselves placed in jeopardy by a remorseless killer.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

17. lol! Never heard of the book and I love mysteries! I just ordered a copy

off of eBay! Thank you and Peace!

[niyad]

18. did you see that picture of mittens the other day (think it was on rachel's show, but not

positive) showing him with a caption saying he was now going to be the spokesperson for a new line of mormon undies from fruit of the loom? thank goodness I had already finished my coffee!!

on second thought, it might have been on dl hughley's show--in either case, it was a "what will they be doing now" sort of segment.

[Mist]

20. Sounds like a good book, niyad. I've recently read some Mormon mystery novels

novels by Robert Irvine, featuring investigator Moroni Traveller, who's very much a "jack Mormon."

[niyad]

7. that date has a lot of violence attached to it--don't forget it is also the date of the overthrow

and murder of salvadore allende

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

13. Yes, in fact I was going to mention that and edited myself. There

were other significant events that happened. The Pentagon's construction started on 9/11/41. Bush Sr. gave a speech talking about a New World Order on 9/11/1999. The last battle of the Revolutionary War was on 9/11 too.

On a lighter note! Henry Hudson discovered my beloved Hudson River on a 9/11 too!

[dbonds]

6. When using the term Mormon, always separate LDS and Reformed Mormons

Reformed Mormons are very liberal, pro-gay, intellectuals. I think many of them are in North part of Missouri now.

[curse of greyface]

8. And this is relevant how? How much hate speech have homosexuals endured

because certain movements in history were started by gay leaders or organizations?

How is this relevant to the homosexual of today?

I'm calling bullshit on your Mormon bashing this time.

You know in 1857 Democrats owned slaves and Republicans were working on freeing them.

This post is about as relevant.

One of Americas true strength is we tend not to hold grudges over generations.

Go peddle your bullshit hate somewhere else

We are all full up here.

[IndianaGreen]

11. Jews, Gays, the Roma, and the mentally impaired were the first victims of the Nazis

No one cared until the Gestapo came looking for them.

Did you think that Prop 8 was the only goal of its sponsors? You are next!

[curse of greyface]

16. I'm only arguing that your argument is flawed.

It was a hundred and fifty years ago.

It has nothing to do with modern Mormons

Oh and there is some irony in bringing up the Gestapo.

They primarily went after the femme gays (Ulrichs' boys)

Brand's boys (Community of the Special) were good Wandervogel and held a special place.

Talk about an argument that shoots yourself in the foot.

[niyad]

12. why is it relevant? perhaps because the leaders of LDS want to dominate the world, or at least

this country? are you acquainted with some of the writings and teachings? the massacre may have been in the past, but some of their more recent activities aren't really all that different.

and I, for one, don't want some fundamentalist bigot of ANY belief system running this country.

[niyad]

19. off to greatest with you