Goblinmonger
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Thu Nov-13-08 12:15 PM
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When do atheist concerns start to get addressed now that we won |
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Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 12:15 PM by Goblinmonger
both the white house and congress and soon to be Supreme Court? Over the past years, atheists have been told that we have to shut up about our concerns because it will only give the right wing something to talk about and will cost us the election. Well, the elections over, so to those that made those claims, I now ask when we get to address the concerns of increasing government entanglement with religion? Or do we get thrown under the bus with the gays?
Don't worry, I already know the answer, just trying to make the point.
On edit: Not that I mind the company of the gays; they're pretty cool.
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onehandle
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Thu Nov-13-08 12:20 PM
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1. Uh, 85% of Americans self-identify as Christians. |
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Including the President-Elect.
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Thu Nov-13-08 12:23 PM
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3. Which is why the constituition protects the minority from the majority. |
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Except of course, in the case of atheists (well, non-Xians really, but only atheists are actively excluded under law)as far as prwctical application goes.
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Nov-13-08 12:24 PM
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4. So it is your contention that: |
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1. our government is one that doesn't protect the rights of the minority, and/or 2. is not a secular government such that government involvement and support of religion is acceptable?
The vast majority of Americans aren't gay, either. Or black. Or lots of stuff.
But my most important point from the OP would be #2--#1 is just in response to your "majority" tone of the post.
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onehandle
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Thu Nov-13-08 12:38 PM
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7. My contention is that nothing is going to change in that realm. |
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Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 12:38 PM by onehandle
The vast majority of those who voted for Obama are Christian.
I'm not saying that Atheists shouldn't be addressed, I just wouldn't expect it.
The day that a President from any party pulls for Atheists is far, far away.
Or even mentions them.
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Fri Nov-14-08 11:12 AM
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13. Your "1" is certainly true. |
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"2" depends on what you mean by "acceptable" - if I'm pushed off a cliff, is plummetting to my death an "acceptable" outcome?
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Thu Nov-13-08 12:20 PM
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2. I think religion should be blamed for our economic catastrophe. |
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Their grandstanding with bush for 8 years makes it an obligation to point out that they are as responsible as anyone for the suffering of hard working Americans.
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Thu Nov-13-08 12:31 PM
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the 'Atheist Party' was running for anything. Did I miss them on my ballot? Was there a Page 2?
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Nov-13-08 12:50 PM
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9. So you have to have a party |
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and win office in this country to have the constitutional rights protected? Where is that in the constitution? Did I miss a page?
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Thu Nov-13-08 12:33 PM
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6. how about the simply unchurched? |
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that number, comprised of atheists, agnostists, late sleepers, and apathetics is immense, and far larger than the % of self-identified atheists.
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Thu Nov-13-08 12:44 PM
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8. Action #1: Strip clergy from their power to create legal unions. |
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Why should they have all this power?
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Thu Nov-13-08 02:05 PM
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10. I, for one, welcome my new christian overlords. |
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Thu Nov-13-08 06:27 PM
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11. I'm gonna quote the Who in this area.... |
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"Meet the new boss..same as the old boss"..in this respect anyway. The only thing I can say is at least he doesn't seem likely to push faith based this n that at us AND one of his first acts will be to fund stem cell research. I can deal with this. I think we need to push our "concerns" in terms of scientific and rational endeavors..
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Thu Nov-13-08 06:38 PM
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You can expect separation of church and state will remain unchanged in the Obama administration.
Churches that spread hate will still be tax-exempt, religious objections to reality will still impede greater scientific literacy, abstinence-only education, though no longer mandated, will still persist, religious objections to marriage equality will still stand in the way, and we'll still have to suffer through at least 4 more election cycles of candidates fighting over who is more pious as though it was any sort of qualification.
If you don't like being thrown under the bus, tough.
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