Isn't God a sinner?

[ccharles000]

I was just thinking if jealousy is a sin and God is a jealous god does that make God a sinner?

[flvegan]

1. This might get ugly.

Glad I got an early seat.

:popcorn:

[Dr. Strange]

38. I'm jealous of your seat.

For the love of God, though, please do not reply with "That's what she said."

[TZ]

39. .

Thats what she said...Hey..I'm an atheist, what do you expect?:rofl:

[Dr. Strange]

40. sigh

Good Lord...

[originalpckelly]

2. You know you've been on DU too long when you read...

"Isn't God a sinner?"
...as...
"Isn't God a skinner?"

[DeSwiss]

34. Of course god is a Skinner!!!!

- I'm surprised you even had to ask!!!!

[az chela]

3. the jewish god is evil and hateful and vengeful and a

male pig

[stevenleser]

8. Well, there are technically a-couple-o-ways you could go with that...

you could go with your interpretation

or you could say that those who were chosen to interpret what God said allowed their own biases and chauvinism to creep into their interpretation...

or you could say that God doesnt exist at all and the men who fabricated the whole thing did it wholly with their own beliefs, biases and prejudices.

[DireStrike]

4. That would be a MORTAL sin, wouldn't it?

God's immortal. G_G

[patrice]

5. Conventional "Christian" notions of good and bad are lame.

Contrary to what those who preach against Humanism and against Relativistic (or Situational) Morality have to say, this does not mean that supporters of these schools of thought believe there is no such thing as good/bad.

I prefer the perspective on this provided by the Bhagavad Gita.

[moobu2]

6. Make believe god characters can do anything the maker wants.

so the make believer mught just make god above all the sin stuff.

[Arugula Latte]

7. Isn't God a Shriner?

After all, he wears a little funny hat and drives a tiny little car in parades.

[orleans]

27. god wears a hat? does god wear a raincoat when it rains? n/t

[JVS]

9. No. The rules are for us, god is autonomous.

[Orrex]

12. Which means, incidentally...

That the rules are arbitrary.

Hmm...

[JVS]

14. As far as our perception of them, yes.

But who knows what kind of convoluted scheme might be behind them.

[Orrex]

17. No, it's much simpler than that

1. If God made the laws, then they're arbitrary. If he's Supreme, then he picked them because he wanted those particular laws. Since, as the Supreme Being, he can't be goaded or coerced by any outside force, the choice was entirely up to him, which means that it's arbitrary.

Or...

2. If the laws exist independent of God, then they're not subordinate to God, which means that he's not the Supreme Being.



Any appeals to a hidden "convoluted scheme" are pure witnessing and irrelevant in any case. If the "convoluted scheme" is of God's devising, then objection 1 still applies equally. If the "convoluted scheme" is not of God's devising, then objectin 2 still applies equally.


Is God Supreme or not? Are the laws indepenent of him, or not?

[JVS]

21. They might be arbitrary or not, it would depend of if there is some kind of consistency

If he has decided to make a consistent system, then they no longer can be arbitrary because they are restricted by that condition.


If not, then they are arbitrary.

[Orrex]

29. Consistent with what, though?

With themselves? Then they can still easily be arbitrary.

Consistent with His will? Then they are definitely still arbitary.

Consistent with some external, independent criterion? Then objection #2 from that earlier post still applies.


Even if "he has decided to make a consistent system," then the system as a whole is arbitary even if its components are mutually consistent. Or, if the nature of the system was dictated by some outside factor, then objection #2 applies onces again.

[Grey]

10. Thou shalt not commit murder,

how many people died by his hand?

Edit to add..... I don't think he should have been messing around with Mary either.

[JVS]

11. But who was the recipient of the commandment?

[Grey]

20. OK, so it's "do as I say- not as I do"?

Never mind.

[JVS]

22. Just like when the dog is told to stay off the furniture.

[ZombieHorde]

30. I love it!!!!

[John Gauger]

33. Yes, but the furniture is made for us by us.

It isn't the dog's. It's ours. The dog is subservient - it lives in man's house, not the other way around.

But now suddenly we're - what? Is humanity the dog or the furniture in that analogy? Either one is repulsive.

[The Traveler]

13. Fortunately, divinity is not constrained

by the sometimes psychotic visions of the faithful. And let's face it, the ancient Hebrews were highly traumatized near barbarians who desperately needed treatment for PTSD. Still, they got some things more or less right. Sort of. Maybe.

[donco6]

15. If he/she is anything like the Fundie Christian concept, yes.

What a beeyotch.

[elshiva]

16. If the god of the Bible existed, he would be a sinner.

He was a murderer and an accomplice to murder. :shrug:

[DearAbby]

18. I thought the title said....

Isn't God a Skinner, hell he just owns the place, he isnt a GOD...is he?

Then I cleaned my glasses. Now here is the point to where I say, "Nevermind"

[bridgit]

19. Some say there is only one sin: to fall short of The Glory Of God, now...

for God to be a sinner...wouldn't; or hasn't He already under such a premise fallen short of His Own Glory rending Himself therefore a sinner, I hear you asking? --- sure why not. All that innocent blood running through the gutters, standing/well I guess just floating round er'whatever while all this inhumanity consumes the world, republicans in the WH Good Grief!! -- republicans in the shrieking WH for 8 years!!! And really shitty ones too! That should be proof enough!! Why...

What do you have to lose from within such a premise :evilgrin:

[Sanctified]

23. It is completely impossible for God to be a sinner.

Sins are actions that separate us from God, it is completely impossible for God to be separated from Himself.

[emilyg]

24. My God is kind.

[ashling]

25. But God has the pardon power, so...

.... she can pardon herself :)

Its all in the loopholes ... trust me, I'm a lawyer.
:rofl:

[brentspeak]

26. Wrong forum

Take it here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=214

[Morrisons Ghost]

28. You should ask him!

:evilgrin:

[Deep13]

31. Of course He is. ...

That's why He had himself crucified in the form of Jesus Christ. It was an effort to purge Himself of a feeling of guilt. Being all-knowing means He could not escape that feeling any other way.
:hide:

[John Gauger]

32. Don't put too much thought into it.

It breaks down very quickly if you start to think critically about it. The idea of sin, in fact the idea of god, doesn't make much sense.

[DeSwiss]

35. Details, details, details.....

- So ya see? The key to understanding, is not to ask questions.....

[elshiva]

37. Great cartoon.

[Waiting For Everyman]

36. It more accurately means "zealous"=passionate, or hot.

(when used about God, that is; you have to go back to the Hebrew words for the precise meaning intended, which have various English equivalents)

God can't be a sinner. If He broke His own law, He would cease to be God, wouldn't He? (Which can't happen, of course.) That's what the temptation in the desert was shooting for though.

[TWiley]

41. Religion is a hallucination.

And, your reasonin is correct.