Ahhhhh, I have a bible new testiment question.

[Xicano]

Corinthians 11:14

"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?"



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[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. My absolute, all-time, over-the-top, brilliant

"West Wing" scene EVER:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1-ip47WYWc

[Xicano]

4. I never saw that scene.

That's a good one Tangerine LaBamba. Thanks for the link.

:thumbsup:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

8. You're very welcome -

it comes in handy in all sorts of situations where morons start quoting Scripture - and Welcome to DU!!!

[Xicano]

11. Just got finished watching it again

And I find that I want to watch it again. :)

I mean, what ownage. BTW I love Martin Sheen and I am glad to have briefly met him a couple of times during anti war rallies in Hollywood.


And thanks for the welcome. :hi:

[Grey]

18. I really, really miss that show.

[TahitiNut]

29. I remember when that first aired. I stood up and cheered. Righteous smackdown!!

The abominations perpetrated by people wrapped in a bible (which they fail to even BEGIN to comprehend) deserve the lowest level of hell.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

40. It's perfect -

that's why I've bookmarked it and whip it out periodically, just to remind myself that sanity sometimes DOES prevail, and pricks get what they have coming to them.

I miss that show a lot....................

[MidwestTransplant]

37. Here is another great one re the death penatly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw1xgeM3Rb4

[Tangerine LaBamba]

46. I just realized -

that was Karl Malden!!!

What a great show that was....................

[southernleftylady]

66. never seen that.. its amazing!!! nt

[DeSwiss]

68. Thank you for that link!!!

- I'm not a teevee watcher and haven't been for some time, but I just happened to see that scene when this was first broadcast and never forgot it. Thanks again.

[aquart]

2. Is that Paul's correspondence file?

Paul never met Jesus. He only hallucinated him. He said. But this is the guy whose opinions you worry about?

[MichaelHarris]

3. I bought

rolling papers from that dude's company.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Easy, either somebody mistranslated the Greek

to Latin, to English... happened so many times it is not even funny

or...

Them silly artists did not read the damn thing... also a clear possibility... after all the Savior was NOT, I repeat this, NOT white.

Damn silly people who lived in the land of Judea on or about the years of the New Testament were not quite white.... or blue eyed...

Oh never mind


By the way, one thing he was... a fine rabbi... before anybody goes crazy, that means teacher.

:-)

[mtf80123]

6. Does it ...

matter?

[Horse with no Name]

7. Explanation

http://www.abarim-publications.com/Bible_Commentary/1Corinthians11v14.html
>>>snip
And what it is even better....we can hijack this into a thread about circumcision!
:popcorn:
In Jer 9:25-26, the Lord states, "Behold, the days are coming that I will punish all who are circumcised and yet uncircumcised - []all those [] who clip the hair on their temples; for all the nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised of heart."

[mtf80123]

10. The Heart Sutra.

Translation by Edward Conze
Homage to the Perfection of Wisdom, the Lovely, the Holy!

Avalokiteshvara, The Holy Lord and Bodhisattva, was moving in the deep course of the Wisdom which has gone beyond. He looked down from on high, He beheld but five heaps, and he saw that in their own-being they were empty.

Here, Sariputra, form is emptiness and the very emptiness is form; emptiness does not differ from form, form does not differ from emptiness; whatever is form, that is emptiness, whatever is emptiness, that is form, the same is true of feelings, perceptions, impulses and consciousness.

http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/emptiness.html

[mtf80123]

17. so.... We are all fucked

right?

[mtf80123]

20. Wow....!

Why do you "Fundies" comdemn others to Hell? Disgusting really.

I consider myself a "spritual" being... and know that your idea of "Hell" and those whom you condemn to it is





FALSE.

[Horse with no Name]

21. "you fundies"

You are accusing me of being a fundy?:rofl:

[mtf80123]

26. No...

Just replying to the thread....

What is your idea of .......... ?

[Kittycat]

9. Good luck

But I just put it to debate on the religious debate section of another site I go to. Thanks :D

[Xicano]

12. Oh that sounds like fun...

:)

[WillowTree]

13. First of all, a lot depends on St. Paul's definition of "long hair".

What was condidered to be "long hair" for a man in the first century AD? I don't know, do you?

And secondly, all images we have of Christ, with the exception of the shroud of Turin, for those who believe it is what it is purported to be, are what someone who really hasn't the faintest idea of what the man really looked like imagine him to have appeared, based on their own criteria of how a godly man would look.

One can only wonder at the lengths some people will go to in an attempt to denegrate the beliefs of others. Is such triviality really worth the time and effort you put into it? Does it accomplish something of value to you?

[mtf80123]

14. Ultimately....

is a 'death' shroud important?






No.

[mtf80123]

15. Why worry what St. Paul said?

He never achieved perfection,

Did he?

He was a Theologian.

[WillowTree]

24. I'm not at all "worried" about what St. Paul said or thought.

The OP, however, cited Paul's words and made a comparison to an artist's concept of what Christ might have looked like who knows how many centuries later. Ergo, your question might more appropriately be directed to Xicano.

[mtf80123]

28. Why?

Is "Xicano" (whom ever that may be) the Authority of all things "Spiritual"?

[WillowTree]

35. OK. Whatever.

Your questions apparently make some sort of sense to you, but none at all to me. So I'll just leave you to your thought processes 'cause any further discussion doesn't hold out much in the way of prospects for fruitfullness.

Enjoy the balance of your evening.

[mtf80123]

43. Exactly

That is the meaning.... Namaste'

[Xicano]

39. Xicano is a different way of spelling Chicano

It has to do with making a cultural identity statement for the most part.

Here's a few photographs I quickly got from google.











Peace,
Xicano

[Xicano]

33. Well, I certainly apologize if I've offended you in anyway

I can assure you it is not my intent to offend someone's beliefs. On the other hand, when I see material which denigrates women and people who believe differently to the degree that the bible does. Or when I see material which goes so far as to command putting to death people for their different beliefs or other personal rights which harms no one. Then I feel that such material is not only repulsive, but, certainly open to criticism.


Anyway, sorry if that offends you.

[handmade34]

41. I would hope no one is offended by your post

I see it as merely a statement of contradiction that many people in our society live with. I think healthy discussion about religion is good: We certainly are at a liminal time as far as religion/spirituality. Unfortunately, many are very sensitive and find it difficult to engage in a discussion without intense passion either negative/positive. Welcome to DU.

[Xicano]

42. Thank you handmade34

Thank you for understanding and thank you for your welcome.

:hi:

[mtf80123]

51. Does not offend....

Buddhism is a "lovely" thing.

[On the Road]

16. Never Thought About it That Way,

but we don't know how long Jesus' hair was. Although a short Roman-style haircut was probably not his thing.

I think that verse is a concealed attack on Jesus' brother James, who was Paul's main rival. James was a lifelong Nazirite and never cut his hair. One of many little digs he gets in at various times.

[mitchum]

44. You're right; Paul is a very catty writer

[LittleClarkie]

19. I just don't get Paul in general

Jesus, he makes sense. Paul, not so much.

[mtf80123]

25. 2,000 year old mythology.....

Limited thought processes....

Do we "suffer" the thought?

Yes

Is it important to worry?

No

We continue...

[handmade34]

27. but thats what makes Paul so interesting

he was crazy and his time in jail just intensified it

[mtf80123]

31. Inhaling volcanic fumes while living in a cave...

will do that to a person.

[mitchum]

22. God just told me that was a mistranslation; it should read...

"if a man have a fauxhawk, it is a shame unto him"

[Bucky]

58. God hates figs and fauxhawks. And collared greens. Collared greens are an abomination.

[mtf80123]

63. Good thing he/she/it did not create them...

Hard to imagine an Omnipotent being would create something 'repulsive' not in its liking.

[handmade34]

23. we have been misled...

From the first time Christian children settle into Sunday school classrooms, an image of Jesus Christ is etched into their minds. In North America he is most often depicted as being taller than his disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes. Familiar though this image may be, it is inherently flawed... "While Western imagery is dominant, in other parts of the world he is often shown as black, Arab or Hispanic." ...It was the Bible, however, that resolved the question of the length of Jesus's hair. While most religious artists have put long hair on Christ, most biblical scholars believe that it was probably short with tight curls...



http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/1282186.html

[Horse with no Name]

30. But But But he is BROWN

Jesus isn't brown. Don't you KNOW anything?

[handmade34]

36. brown or blue: both good

[mtf80123]

38. There is no personal

... God ...

only Karma.

[handmade34]

45. words so often get in the way of communication

can Jesus, Krishna, Muhammad, Buddha, etc, all be merely representative of spirit? At times people need something tangible and I respect that, just not when it becomes dogmatic

[mtf80123]

47. Spirituality...

Yes... they are all representative of "Spirit".

Though Buddhism does not represent any form of "Theological" representation.

"Karma" is the "Infallible Truth". "Cause and Effect".

The Buddha taught that "everything" is "Impermanent".

Therefore, "nothing really matters"... except how you lead your own personal life and the consequences thereof. This has a direct relation of your next 'Incarnation'. Your next 'birth' will be determined by how you lead this life.

More than likely.... you will become that which you most are attached to in this life.

"edited for spelling"

[mtf80123]

54. There is no salvation....

whithout compassion for "ALL" living beings ~Buddha ~

[mtf80123]

34. The Truth of the Mind

[handmade34]

48. I lived in Barnet Vermont (pop.2k) for many years

home to two Buddhist Monestaries... your picture made me think back

http://www.karmecholing.org/index.php
http://www.milarepacenter.org/

[mtf80123]

49. _/|\_

Namaste'

[mtf80123]

52. We have a Stupa here built in his fathers name...

http://www.shambhalamountain.org/

[USA_1]

32. Paul Was a Roman

Roman men kept their hair cut short because of their strong martial tradition.

Semites in that era were no longer the great warriors that their ancestors were. Therefore, it is likely that the men kept their hair longer than did the Romans. How long? Don't know for sure. But what few frescoes I have seen from that era suggests their hair was longer than the Romans.

[GodlessBiker]

50. That is a clear reference to pubic hair.

[mtf80123]

53. ... and there it is,

the lowest common denominator.

[GodlessBiker]

65. I know. I couldn't believe it took so long.

[Bucky]

55. Except that the real Jesus almost certainly didn't have long hair (or Viking-like ethnic features)

The real Jesus would have looked like this. ==>

This is from a Popular Mechanics article from a few years back. I highly recommend digging it up if the historical Jesus interests you.

[mtf80123]

56. Was he right?

Physical attributes are 'impermanent'.

To me... his teachings lead us to a 'guilded' cage... and not true 'Liberation'.

True freedom.

[Bucky]

57. Was who right?

Are you asking was Jesus right? I'd be hard pressed to find any statements or teachings of his that I'd disagree with. I certainly don't see how actual Christian teachings guides anyone into a gilded cage. In fact, there's not a lot of room for anything gilded (ie, "gold-plated") in nascent Christian teachings. Certainly some of the modern mainstream distortions of Jesus's teachings can isolate the individual Christian from the moral dictates of Christianity. But it'd be one heck of a stretch to tie the beliefs of today's turbo-Christians ot the practices of the little rabbi who drove the moneylenders out of Temple of Jerusalem.

[mtf80123]

60. Guilded Cage....

Think about it.

[Bucky]

61. Are you referring to trade guilds? Craft guilds?

Because the English idiom you're referencing is "gilded" cage, meaning a gold plated iron cage. If you know that, then your pun about guilded cages eludes me.

[mtf80123]

62. Yes...

Slavery...

The bars may be made of Gold... but you are still behind them (if you choose).

[smiley_glad_hands]

67. Buddhism is just as contradictory as any other religion.

True freedom? You mean the attachment of having no attachments?

edited for spelling

[Obamanaut]

59. self delete

[JNelson6563]

64. Paul was a lunatic

Terrible writings. Supposedly the OT is the bad part of the bible, with all the horror, violence and the like. Frankly, the NT is awful as well thanks, in large part, the writings attributed to that he-man woman hating Paul.

Are there any "holy" books out there NOT written by assholes??

Julie

[charlie]

69. Boy, that was big in the Sixties

One generation pointing to Paul, the other pointing to the Nordic Jesus. It was no less stupid back then, either.