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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 07:38 PM
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Can someone summarize the beliefs of scientology?
I could find it elsewhere, but I'd probably come here to discuss it anyway. I'm curious as to why they're advertising, but I'm not going to scientology.org to find out. I heard of them decades ago but have never been exposed to their beliefs except in satire. I know nothing about them, but on the surface they give me the creeps. What's up with scientology?
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sallylou666 Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 07:41 PM
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1. Pay scientology to get the info
Short version: they're nuts!

It's my understanding that you have to buy their proprietary texts and videos to find out. This religion was created by a bad sci-fi fiction writer. I hear that it involves aliens.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 07:42 PM
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2. A dangerous cult that has been talked about here at length. You don't want to get involved.
Edited on Sat Jul-25-09 07:42 PM by bkkyosemite
The brainwashing techniques are right out of a horror story.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 07:43 PM
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3. Operation Clambake has a lot of info
they've been around for years
http://www.xenu.net/

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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:17 PM
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7. I checked out the link.
Thanks. Curiosity satiated.
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 07:48 PM
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4. It's a combination of The Church of Mormon and Mork from Ork.Really!
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 07:54 PM
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5. Watch 'Religulous'
The scene with Bill Maher's tirade in London's Hyde Park is based on scientology: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rSYaMlOm30
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:48 PM
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22. I love that movie!
Esp. the part where he confronts "Jesus" in the amusement park.
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:06 PM
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6. That's about what I expected
I knew it was started by L Ron Hubbard, and whacky, but not much else. So it's a "pay for pray" scheme?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:21 PM
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8. I have a bit of
experience with Scientology, although it was a long time ago - 36 years ago.

I was 23 and recently divorced. I met a guy I kind of liked, he seemed smart and interesting. He told me that I should take this 'class' that would help me with my studies. I had recently returned to college.

So I signed up. It turned out it was the introductory Scientology class. I had never heard of Scientology. To make a long story short, the intro class was very cheap. It also met every day for 3 hours a day and used pretty heavy indoctination techniques. Here are some things that I remember: Past lives influence our current behavior so we have to deal with past life issues and if you stay with the program and give us lots of mioney we'll help you get 'clear.' I may have been young but I wasn't easily lead. I actually finished the class and the pressure to continue was intense. These people called me at work, wrote me letters and were seriously annoying.

I ended up dumping the boyfriend and after I moved several times they finally stopped bothering me.

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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:26 PM
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9. That's what I'm coming to realize - it's about the $$$
As if the Mormans and Amway had a baby.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:40 PM
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10. It's more than the money it is seriously manipulative and can damage a person's life.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:46 PM
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11. sounds like the Catholic Church to me.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 12:32 AM
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13. One of the things that made me
realize that this was not for me was that all anyone there could do was talk about scientology. There was no having a conversation about anything else. It got really tedious really fast.

But it's true; most of the people there were young and impressionable. I was a cynic at 23 so I was already a lost cause, not that they didn't ry.
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 11:38 AM
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18. I stand corrected
Do they expect you to recruit as well as pursuing further "treatment"?
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 10:22 PM
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12. It's no crazier than any of the other religions n/t
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 12:34 AM
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14. Oh yes it is!
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WVRICK13 Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:54 AM
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16. No, It's Not
How can one fantasy be more crazy than the other. They all tell you lies, take your money and seek to control your thoughts and actions.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 09:09 PM
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24. No kidding
I mean, come on, aliens taking over our bodies is SOOOOOO much more crazy than the Holy Spirit filling us with grace. Sheesh.
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sallylou666 Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 03:51 AM
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15. Stay away from cult recruitment
CCK, you've escaped a cult recruitment. Stay away!
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 11:33 AM
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17. Thanks, but I was never in any danger
This was intellectual curiosity, nothing more. I am comfortable in my religion: science.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:41 PM
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19. It is wacky, as most on here will say, but...
IMHO, it is no more whacky than any other religion.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 03:01 PM
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20. South Park
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 03:56 PM
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26. This was going to be my suggestion as well. n/t
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 05:52 PM
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21. Made up s***. Same ol' same ol'. nt.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 09:07 PM
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23. DU is funny.
The same people that will go billy-ape-shit at me for even daring to question whether Christianity is valid will come here and tell us that Scientology is a cult without even getting a brief whiff of the wonderful, wonderful irony.
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DeadEyeDyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 10:08 PM
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25. that Tom Cruise can act n/t
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 04:50 PM
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27. The beliefs of Scientology are of secondary importance
It's the behavior of its leaders and thugs that should concern us most of all.

The Xenu story may be worth a laugh, but the Co$ has been close at hand when a number of "Genetic Entities" made the decision to "Drop the Body" -- most notoriously Lisa McPherson and Ken Ogger.

Beliefs, wacky or otherwise, never bother me. Behavior often does.

--d!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 12:44 AM
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28. My understanding is that the first few levels are a sort of hypnotic therapy with a lie detector
So they'll get you into a room and they'll ask you "Have you ever lied to anyone? Have you ever hurt anyone? Have you ever let anyone get hurt? Have you ever hit anyone? Have you ever stabbed anyone? Have you ever shot anyone? Have you ever hurt anyone in any other way? Have you ever killed anyone? Have you ever encouraged someone else to kill anyone? Have you ever committed genocide? Have you ever gotten anyone pregnant? Have you ever raped anyone? Have you ever caused anyone to get raped? Have you ever given anyone VD? Have you ever caused anyone to get an abortion? Have you ever cheated on an exam? Have you ever copied from anyone's paper? Have you ever falsified research? Have you ever caused anyone else to falsify research? Have you ever cheated on anyone sexually? Have you ever caused anyone to cheat?"

Literally thousands of questions... apparently it takes hours for each level, and all the while you're hooked up to a lie detector, so if you feel uncomfortable about any of the questions, they will ask you more follow-up questions.

Another phase of the first levels is having you repeat lists of words while hooked to the lie detector, so if the word "bitch" makes you uncomfortable, they'll have you repeat it until you no longer register any discomfort with the word.

I can really see how actors get sucked into Scientology... the first levels are all about completely killing any personal emotional response to certain words and phrases. It's also very hypnotic.

Of course, they're recording your answers, so if you say you cheated on your wife, they can blackmail you.

Also, it gets a lot wierder in the upper levels. A lot of the "auditing" has to do with past lives, so if you gave someone VD 200 years ago, that's also something you're expected to let go of the guilt from. :P Also, any discomfort is supposed to be a sign of an alien embedded in your body. No joke. :P They also have their own language for describing a lot of what goes on.

And it's not just "guilt" questions they ask. They might ask a series of questions like "Where can you talk to your friend? Where can you talk to your boss? Where can you talk to your mom? Where can you talk to your dad? Where can you talk to your brother? Where can you talk to your sister?" and so forth. Odd, odd stuff.

In general, what happens is people get hypnotized in the early levels, solve some topical personal problems, and they feel a lot of success, so they continue to pay for more and more levels.

It's a wierd cult. :P
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 01:10 AM
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29. Here are two actual lists:
01. Have you been too hard on yourself? _______

02. Have you been mean to yourself? _______

03. Have you made yourself suffer? _______

04. Do you think that it is better to suffer? _______

05. Have you harmed yourself? _______

06. Have you made yourself feel hopeless? _______

07. Have you ever let yourself down? _______

08. Have you exposed yourself to ridicule? _______

09. Have you made your life hell? _______

10. Have you felt that you should stay upset about something? _______

11. Do you feel that you are undeserving? _______

12. Have you restrained yourself? _______

13. Have you made yourself feel guilty? _______

14. Have you worried yourself? _______

15. Have you made yourself worry about things? _______

16. Have you not permitted yourself to enjoy something? _______

17. Have you tried not to want something too much? _______

18. Have you tried not to let yourself have things you wanted? _______

19. Have you tried not to want things? _______

20. Have you limited your goals? _______

21. Is there anything that you have not allowed yourself to have? _______

22. Have you held yourself back from doing something that you wanted to do? _______

23. Is there anything that you have prevented yourself from being? _______

24. Do you feel that you are stopping yourself in any way? _______

25. Have you cautioned yourself? _______

26. Have you put yourself last? _______

27. Have you made anyone else wrong for taking care of themself? _______

28. Have you made anyone else wrong for having things? _______

29. Have you inhibited yourself? _______

30. Have you invalidated yourself? _______

31. Do you ever make less of yourself to others? _______

32. Do you ever make less of yourself to yourself? _______

33. Do you feel that you are unimportant? _______

34. Have you put others or the group before your own interests? _______

35. Have you agreed with someone who was critical of you? _______

36. Have you felt that you were nothing? _______

37. Have you made yourself overly important? _______

38. Have you been arrogant? _______

39. Have you been selfish? _______

40. Have you been lazy? _______

41. Have you neglected others' best interests? _______

42. Have you ever hated yourself? _______

43. Have you ever despised yourself? _______

44. Have you ever been greedy? _______

45. Have you ever tried to grab everything for yourself? _______

46. Have you exaggerated your own importance? _______

47. Have you felt that you had too many possessions? _______

48. Have you felt that you had too much money? _______

49. Have you felt that you took too much of something for yourself? _______

50. Have you been told or taught that you shouldn't watch out for your own interests? _______

51. Have you been told or taught that you shouldn't watch out for others' interests? _______

52. Do you feel that you are holding yourself back? _______

53. Have you ever really wanted to be like someone else? _______

54. Have you idolized anyone? _______

55. Have you tried to model your life after someone else? _______

56. Have you felt that someone else was far more important than you? _______

57. Have you felt that you stressed your own importance too much? _______

58. Have you punished yourself for doing wrong? _______

59. Have you tried to be humble? _______

60. Have you neglected your health? _______

61. Have you neglected your own happiness? _______

62. Have you tried to abstain from pleasure? _______

63. Have you tried not to enjoy yourself too much? _______

64. Have you tried to dampen your own enthusiasm about something? _______

65. Have you damaged your body? _______

66. Have you inflicted pain on yourself? _______

67. Have you tried to hypnotize yourself? _______

68. Have you implanted yourself? _______

69. Have you tried to destroy your mind? _______

70. Have you tried to destroy your memory? _______

71. Have you tried to wipe out your personality? _______

72. Have you tried to force a different beingness on yourself? _______

73. Have you tried to change your ways? _______

74. Have you tried to change your personality? _______

75. Are there things that you don't like about yourself? _______

76. Is there some way in which you have made yourself miserable? _______

77. Do you have any doubts about yourself? _______

78. Do you lack confidence in yourself? _______

79. Have you tried to extinguish yourself? _______

80. Have you felt that the world or others would be better off without you? _______

81. Have you decided to leave so that you wouldn't cause any more harm? _______

82. Have you become addicted to drugs or alcohol? _______

83. Have you made nothing of yourself? _______

84. Have you blamed yourself for another's faults? _______

85. Have you tried to take responsibility for things you didn't cause? _______

86. Have you taken the credit for others' actions? _______

87. Have you failed to stand up for your own rights? _______

88. Have you worked yourself too hard? _______

89. Have you let yourself be lazy? _______

90. Have you let others get away with taking advantage of you? _______

91. Have you agreed to things you didn't want? _______

92. Have you agreed to something that was to your own detriment? _______

93. Have you agreed that you were no good? _______

94. Have you agreed that you were harmful or evil? _______

95. Have you invalidated your own opinions? _______

96. Have you invalidated your own knowingness? _______

97. Have you invalidated your own beingness? _______

98. Have you invalidated the success of your actions? _______

99. Have you invalidated your ability to be able to do things? _______

100. Have you permitted someone else to dominate you? _______

101. Have you forced yourself to do something against your will? _______

102. Have you forced yourself to do something against your own better judgement? _______

103. Have you ever made yourself feel bitter? _______

104. Have you ever made yourself regret something that you did? _______

105. Have you ever made yourself confess to things you didn't do? _______

106. Have you felt that you must be really evil? _______

107. Have you postulated something bad would happen to you? _______

108. Have you ever mocked up a bad future for yourself? _______

109. Have you allowed somebody else to adversely affect your opinions of yourself? _______

110. Have you agreed to try to change your ways? _______

111. Have you agreed to something harmful? _______

112. Have you agreed that you should limit yourself? _______

113. Have you agreed that you should have a bank? _______

114. Have you agreed that you shouldn't be mobile? _______

115. Have you agreed that you shouldn't know too much? _______

116. Have you agreed that you shouldn't remember? _______

117. Have you agreed that you shouldn't form habits? _______

118. Have you agreed that you should have a stimulus-response mind? _______

119. Have you agreed that you should learn by experience? _______

120. Have you agreed that you should be punished for your misdeeds? _______

121. Have you agreed that you shouldn't create something? _______

122. Have you agreed that you should create something? _______

123. Have you agreed that you shouldn't change your mind? _______

124. Have you agreed that you shouldn't change your agreements? _______

125. How do you feel about yourself? _______

126. How would you like to be? _______

127. Tell me some things that you would like to do. _______

128. Tell me some things that you would like to have. _______

129. Is there something that you would like to postulate for your future? _______

130. Is there any reason that you shouldn't be free? _______

131. How do your ideas about yourself compare to what they were? _______


http://www.xenu.net/archive/L-Rundowns/L10_1_f0.html


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01. Are others mean to others? ________

02. Have you observed anyone being cruel to someone? ________

03. Is suffering necessary? ________

04. Do you know anyone who harmed others? ________

05. What do you think others do that is wrong? ________

06. Has someone taken unfair advantage of another? ________

07. Do you know somebody who makes others feel hopeless? ________

08. Has somebody betrayed another's trust in them? ________

09. Has somebody ridiculed others? ________

10. Do you know somebody who nagged others? ________

11. Is there somebody who made another's life hell? ________

12. Do you know somebody who upset others? ________

13. Have you felt you should intervene when somebody was doing

something to somebody else? ________

14. Did somebody deserve what others did to them? ________

15. Do you know somebody who should be restrained from committing
overts on others? ________

16. Do you know somebody who was sadistic? ________

17. Do you know somebody who made others feel guilty? ________

18. Do you know somebody who worried others? ________

19. Is there somebody who specialized in upsetting others? ________

20. Do you know somebody who was always talking about their
upsets with others? ________

21. Do you know somebody who committed a lot of overts? ________

22. Do you know somebody who wanted to do others in? ________

23. Do you know anybody who wanted to make others suffer? ________

24. Is there somebody who hates others intensely? ________

25. Do you know anyone who wanted vengeance? ________

26. Do you know somebody that others tried to get revenge on? ________

27. Have you ever witnessed another torturing another? ________

28. Have others ever hunted anybody? ________

29. Have you ever seen a friend or loved one made to suffer? ________

30. Have you seen somebody butchering others? ________

31. Have you ever witnessed a murder? ________

32. Is there anybody who made somebody else really miserable? ________

33. Do you know of anybody who punished others? ________

34. Have you ever seen somebody scream and yell at others? ________

35. Have you heard of something that somebody did to others that
you thought was really bad? ________

36. Have you seen somebody being beaten? ________

37. Have you ever seen a whipping? ________

38. Have you witnessed an execution? ________

39. Have you witnessed a lynching? ________

40. How have others tried to control others? ________

41. Have you seen somebody who was under somebody else's control? ________

42. Have you seen someone who was under somebody else's influence? ________

43. Have others tried to control others' minds? How? ________

44. Have you ever seen someone enslaving others? ________

45. Do you know anybody who tried to stop things? ________

46. Is there any overt that others have done to others that you
feel very strongly about? ________



47. Do you think that someone was too lenient with others? ________

48. Is there somebody who was always enforcing their opinions
on others? ________

49. Do you know anyone who could convince others that they were
wrong? ________

50. Is there someone who convinced others that they were no good? ________

51. Do you know anyone who was really mean to others? ________

52. Have you known someone you would describe as really cruel? ________

53. Do you know someone who was hard on others for their own good? ________

54. Do you know someone who enjoyed making others suffer? ________

55. Do you know somebody whom others considered very dominating? ________

56. Have you seen someone restraining themself from doing bad? ________

57. Do you know somebody who made others do bad things? ________

58. Do you know somebody who forced others to commit overts? ________

59. Is there somebody who cut others' communication lines? ________

60. Have you seen somebody lying to another? ________

61. Do you know of any injustices others have inflicted on others? ________

62. Is there somebody who attacked others? ________

63. Do you know of anybody that you consider was too weak in their
handling of others? ________

64. Do you know of anybody that others falsely accused? ________

65. Do you know of an innocent person being found guilty? ________

66. Is there somebody who criticized others? ________

67. When have you read or heard of others being criticized? ________

68. Do you know of anybody who gossiped about others behind
their backs? ________

69. Do you know of anyone who invalidated others? ________

70. Do you know of an instance of others destroying another
or others? ________

71. Do you know of an example of others teaching someone a lesson? ________

72. Is there somebody who made others suffer? ________

73. Do you know of an example of others ostracizing somebody? ________

74. Do you know of anybody who was made an outcast? ________

75. Is there somebody that others considered fault finding? ________

76. Do you know of anybody that was beaten up? ________

77. Is there somebody you think might have murdered somebody? ________

78. Is there anybody who shattered others' hopes and aspirations? ________

79. Is there any overt that others have never forgiven others for? ________

80. Do you know of anybody who was too mean to others? ________

81. Have you ever heard of someone hurting somebody they loved? ________

82. Do you know of anyone who rejected others' help? ________

83. Is there somebody who could never accept help from anyone? ________

84. Do you know of anyone who never appreciated or thanked others? ________

85. Do you know of an instance when somebody made another give
up or quit? ________

86. Do you know of somebody destroying another's hopes? ________

87. Do you know of someone or something making somebody go
unconscious? ________

88. Have you ever seen somebody being drugged? ________

89. Have you seen somebody hypnotizing another? ________

90. Do you know of anybody trying to implant another? ________

91. Have you ever observed others implanting others? ________

92. Do you know of anybody who led someone astray? ________

93. Is there anyone who made another do wrong or evil? ________

94. Do you know of an instance of somebody making another
unconscious and then telling them to do bad things? ________

95. Have you ever observed another trying to destroy
somebody's will? ________



96. Have you ever observed another trying to destroy
another's mind? ________

97. Do you know of any instance of anyone driving another mad? ________

98. Have you seen somebody trying to wipe out another? ________

99. Do you know of anyone who was negligent of someone they should
have been taking care of? ________

100. Have you witnessed another being wounded? ________

101. Have you seen somebody being mistreated? ________

102. Have you seen somebody destroying another's possessions? ________

103. Do you know of an instance of others trying to wipe out
another's memory? ________

104. Have you seen somebody punished for telling the truth? ________

105. Do you know of an instance of others making somebody keep
something secret? ________

106. Do you know of anybody who broke another's confidence? ________

107. Have you seen or heard of somebody who forced others to
forced others to keep their mouths shut? ________

108. Is there anybody who forced others to do bad or evil things? ________

109. Do you know of an instance of somebody putting somebody to
sleep and then telling them to do bad things? ________

110. Do you know somebody who was jailed? ________

111. Have you seen another being trapped? ________

112. Do you know of anybody who was scarred? ________

113. Have you ever seen somebody being dismembered? ________

114. Do you know of somebody who was disfigured? ________

115. Do you know of anybody who tried to possess another person? ________

116. Have you ever witnessed somebody being undermined? ________

117. Do you know of anybody who was seduced by another? ________

118. Do you know anybody who seduced others? ________

119. Have you ever seen somebody running a can't have on others? ________

120. Do you know of anybody who forced others into contracts or
agreements? ________

121. Do you know somebody who really hated others? ________

122. Do you know anybody who was rude or discourteous to others? ________

123. Do you know anyone who dominated others? ________

124. Is there somebody whom others thought that would be better
off dead? ________

125. Is there any time when others tried to get rid of somebody? ________

126. Is there anyone that others thought had gotten too powerful? ________

127. Is there anyone you knew of who invalidated others' opinions? ________

128. Have you ever observed somebody being forced to do something? ________

129. Have you ever observed somebody being tricked into something? ________

130. When have others ridiculed others? ________

131. Have you seen somebody being scorned? ________

132. Do you know somebody whom another made feel unwanted? ________

133. Do you know anybody who couldn't resist temptation? ________

134. Do you know somebody who is too good? ________

135. Do you know somebody who is too meek and mild? ________

136. Do you know of somebody who excluded others? ________

137. Do you know of anybody who thought that people deserved
to be harmed? ________

138. Do you know anyone who was a criminal? ________

139. Have you observed somebody stealing from others? ________

140. Do you know of anybody who committed crimes? ________

141. Do you know of anybody who took advantage of others? ________

142. Do you know of anybody who exploited others? ________

143. Is there somebody who made less of others? ________



144. Is there anybody who disappointed others? ________

145. Do you know anybody who was trying to get even? ________

146. Do you know anyone who had a chip on their shoulder? ________

147. Is there somebody who was really bitter about life? ________

148. Is there somebody who didn't commit an overt but should have? ________

149. Do you know anyone who you think treated others badly? ________

150. How do you think people get into committing overts? ________

151. Is there somebody who thinks that others are evil? ________

152. Is there somebody whom others considered to be really evil? ________

153. Is there anything that others have done to others that
we haven't covered? ________

154. Have any of these questions reminded you of any withhold
of yours? ________

155. Have any of these questions reminded you of anything you
have done? ________



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