Okay, now I have 5 different mormons arguing with me...

[armyowalgreens]

The shit has really hit the fan and I feel like I'm being attacked from all sides here. People are literally recruiting their family members to come and get in on this facebook debate.

1 pro gay-rights advocate against 5 gay bashers.

I'm starting to get to the point where I just don't give a shit about philosophical discourse. These people are like robots.



On Edit: Oh God, one mormon just brought up incest as an argument against gay marriage.

This is pointless.

[struggle4progress]

1. Why are you wasting your time?

[armyowalgreens]

4. Because I am a stubborn fool.

[struggle4progress]

12. Now there's a point of view that I can identify with

:rofl:

[polichick]

2. Never a good idea to cast your pearls before swine. nt

[mitchum]

3. Tell them that a magic angel said that they are fucked in the head and you are right

Historically, Mormons love swallowing that shit

[wtbymark]

5. facebook is so overblown

people you haven't seen in 20-30 years yapping their opinion at you. I have better things to do.

[rucky]

6. You can end it by saying that you'll pray for them. n/t

[armyowalgreens]

7. They already know that I'm agnostic.

[Warpy]

8. Ask them what Jesus said on the subject

and refuse to accept Paul.

Let them splutter and then point out the phenomenon had been well known since OT times, was not condemned in the Ten Commandments (any version), and was never mentioned by Jesus.

THEN tell them you'll pray for them because they've accepted hate into their hearts and hate crowds Jesus out.

Who cares of you're agnostic? Agnostics are fence sitters and praying just to cover the bases is entirely consistent for them.

[Sal316]

16. Even Paul is misinterpreted...

The scriptures most people use to defend their anti-gay hatred are completely taken out of context and, in some cases, mistranslated.

If Paul really meant homosexual, as we know it today, the greek would have the root "pedo or peda", however it doesn't.

In one case, the Greek word is arkenosite, which is a completely made up word. No Greek gay literature that survives to this day has that word.

I know we've had our disagreements, but if you want a "Bible Thumper" on your side, I'd gladly help out.

[Warpy]

18. I know the OT proscriptions were originally for gay pedophilia

but the bibles in circulation here in the US are bad translations of bad translations of bad translations.

[VAliberal]

9. I don't know if they are coming at you from a religious perspective

--I would presume they are.

If so, I don't think there is any more helpful resource for quick and dirty refutation than the information in the pamphlet, by Walter Wink, at the following link:

http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian

[Why Syzygy]

13. Walter Wink?

by Rev. Mel White

Wink has some good materials. That doesn't seem to be one of them.

[msongs]

10. mormons are a hard core cult n yer wasting yer time to talk to them lol nt

[mzteris]

11. I thought you said

Morons. . .

:shrug:

same difference.

They'll never listen so why waste your time, your breath, and your sanity trying to "convince" them. They're so used to believing in bullsh*t that nothing you can say will make any difference.

[Why Syzygy]

14. Since we live in a Republic

and not a Theocracy, you should be debating them based on the Constitution . All men are created equal... Not their books!

[rug]

15. Tell them you favor plural gay marriage.

And have a pet salamander.

[ChadwickHenryWard]

17. Tell them to fuck off.

I don't like to mince words with anti-gay mouth breathers.

[Odin2005]

19. You are wasting your time.

[armyowalgreens]

20. It isn't a waste of time if a party receives some sort of benefit out of the interaction.

I feed my sick, egomaniacal need to intellectually poke the feeble minded.

[rrneck]

21. Do THEY know they're being poked?

Every word you say has to pass through the filter of their cognitive dissonance. You use reason and they respond with faith. You guys are speaking two different languages. I don't see any actual communication happening, just a test of wills.

If you dig it, carry on. But don't expect results from the other side - just more reinforcements.