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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:13 PM
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Vatican tries to calm anger over Pope Pius XII

23 Dec 2009 - Vatican tries to calm anger over Pope Pius XII
Vatican officials tried to patch up a growing dispute with Jewish leaders by saying the decision to move wartime Pope Pius XII closer to sainthood was based on his "piety" not his "politics".




Pope Pius XII has been condemned for not doing enough to prevent the Holocaust and his path to canonisation has sparked outcry.

Last week, Pope Benedict XVI signed a decree proclaiming the "heroic virtues" of Pope Pius – throwing the current Pontiff's planned visit to Rome's synagogue next month into doubt.

However in an attempt to dampen the row, the Vatican issued a statement which said it the decree should not be seen as a "hostile act".
It added: "We hope this will not be considered an obstacle on the path of dialogue between Judaism and the Catholic Church."
The Vatican said his virtues related to "his relationship with God and his Faith" rather than "an assessment of the political scope of all his operational choices".
The Vatican has always insisted that Pius "moved behind the scenes" during the Second World War and did as much as he could to speak out against Nazism.

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Last year Pope Benedict praised Pius XII and said that he had saved the "largest possible number of Jews" by acting in silence to "avert the worst".

LinK
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:17 PM
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1. so, as long as one is "pious", one can support, even condone, genocide?
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:22 PM
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2. Who knew? A Republican Pope. n/t
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:58 PM
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11. they made it worse by their stupid remarks. Faith without works is
nothing. Pius should have gone to jail. He even looks like a cadaver.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:27 PM
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3. No valid reason to let this go until 2015
like the article mentions. It is another push towards the ultra-traditional wing and the SSPXer fringe wing. They go crazy with any pope with "Pius" in their name as they thrive off of orthodoxy. :crazy: The Vatican inner circle would rather throw an bone at those sects rather than delay until 2015-2020 when you can have an complete discussion.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:34 PM
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4. I just read ratzi's comment--what an unbelievable bunch of BS--does he seriously
think any rational person is going to believe that crapola?
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:39 PM
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5. Their right - he didn't do enough to prevent genocide of Palistinians
who are they to comment
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:44 PM
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6. He should never gain sainthood. In this disagreement I am squarely
on the Jewish side.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:04 PM
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7. The Vatican is cramming before 2012... can't say I blame them
but a better choice perhaps.....
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:51 PM
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10. Cramming before 2012?
Cramming for what? Why 2012?
I just don't get the reference.
BTW, that is a doozy of a picture. He looks like a real hard ass. I wouldn't want him to hear my confession; he'd give me more than five Hail Marys as my penance.

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 06:29 AM
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13. Cramming to make as many saints as they can prior to the big one. n/t
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:05 PM
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8. he saved the vatican silverware from the nazis. sounds like a saint to me :-) nt
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:17 PM
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9. Isn't there a conflict of interest with Pope Benedict advocating for the canonization of Pius XII?
Talk about a free pass.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:59 PM
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12. a former nazi nominating a nazi sympathizer. sort of made in heaven
as it were.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 11:25 AM
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14. Kick
Edited on Tue Dec-29-09 11:29 AM by rd_kent
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