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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:02 PM
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Exercise: Improve the Ten Commandments
I'm not a theist but it seems to me that there is a lot of room for improvement in the Ten Commandments. So, if you could change the Ten Commandments, what would you add or take away?

I'll start...

Add: Thou Shalt Not Enslave
Remove: Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Wife or Property
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:07 PM
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1. How about changed to just six words.
Love many
Trust few
Harm none

Would love to take credit for it but, it comes to public light courtesy of a guy named Yao Man, a Survivor contestant from a couple of seasons back, this statement may well be the shows only redeeming quality.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:11 PM
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2. I'd replace them with the Corporal Acts of Mercy
Though the religiously insane like Pat Roberston would probably find them "too liberal"

Feed the hungry;
Give drink to the thirsty;
Clothe the naked;
House the homeless;
Visit the sick;**
Visit the imprisoned;
Bury the dead and comfort the bereaved

**I have seen this written as "Care for the sick"

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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:11 PM
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3. Just two or three would be enough
Don't kill, don't lie, and don't steal. Lying could be under stealing, since you steal the truth.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:16 PM
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5. Overly Broad
There are circumstances in which killing, lying, or stealing is the right thing to do.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:12 PM
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4. How about
Thou shall not be an asshole.
Thou shall treat every living creature with respect.
Thou shall not base your life on greed.
Thou shall have moderation in all things.
Thou are not the center of the universe.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:16 PM
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6. The ten commandments are rules that were meant to keep order among
tribal nomads in a violent ancient world. There are several versions with different rules. Only a couple of them are practical for life today, the one about murder and the one about stealing. We need a different code that is applicable to our lives today, but that's why we have laws.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:16 PM
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7. George Carlin on Improving the Ten Commandments:
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 07:52 PM
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17. +1
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:18 PM
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8. The Ten Commandments of Solon would be a vast improvement
1. Trust good character more than promises.
2. Do not speak falsely.
3. Do good things.
4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.
5. Learn to obey before you command.
6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.
7. Make reason your supreme commander.
8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.
9. Honor the gods.
10. Have regard for your parents.

It's a better place to start, anyway.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 04:06 PM
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29. +1
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:19 PM
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9. Maybe just try to keep to one of them
Thou shall not kill

The human race would be a lot better off if it could keep to this one commandment.

It is violated all the time by people who say they are christians, ironically.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:36 PM
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10. Use the Citadel's Honor Code as a basis
The Citadel's honor code is, "A cadet will not lie, cheat or steal, or tolerate those who do."

Change the Ten Commandments to, "you will not murder, lie, cheat or steal, or tolerate those who do" and you've got a perfectly good set of rules to live by.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:41 PM
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11. Love the earth and one another
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:49 PM
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12. Hey asshole! Use your turn signals!
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:49 PM
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13. Treat others as you would have them treat you
Unfortunately, it doesn't work for masochists...
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:50 PM
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14. Thou shalt take care of the earth
The fundies need instruction from God on that - they seem to think they can trash it.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:55 PM
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15. I think they need to be enhanced.
More commandments, and supporting text to help in interpretation. Let's face it, each commandment needs at least several hundred pages (or tablets) of documentation.

;-)

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 04:16 PM
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16. "Love your neighbor as yourself"
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MikeH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 07:38 PM
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18. I would take out the commandment to unconditionally "honor your father and mother"
and replace it with a commandment to parents to "treat your children with dignity and respect, that they may come to treat others with dignity and respect."

I say this as a former Christian, and as one who had a very difficult relationship with my father.

My dad did many very good things and many very nice things, and I had many good times with him. He was far from being the worst father anybody ever had. Even so he sometimes behaved in ways that bordered on being abusive.

Oftentimes if I made an honest mistake, honestly forgot something, or something was not quite up to his standards, he would decide in Godlike fashion to treat it like I had committed some kind of crime. And he would always say he was doing it "http://www.nospank.net/fyog.htm">for my own good". And he was often very poor at understanding, or trying to understand, from my point of view, some sensitive issue which was causing me to be frustrated, upset, or otherwise unhappy.

My dad often seemed to have the attitude (though he would deny it) that being father of his children and head of the house gave him certain arbitrary privileges, and that because of all the good things he did he could do no wrong. If I were angry or upset with him or with something he said or did it was always a problem with me, never with him.

I was a Christian for about 15 years as a young man. I came to realize about a year after my dad died how angry I still was at him, and that he really was at times abusive, or borderline so. I.e. it was not just something wrong, or "sinful" with me that I had problems and issues with him, which problems and issues spilled elsewhere into my life.

Along with the realization that my dad at times bordered on being abusive, I also came to realize that my being a Christian had been of no help to me in enabling me to deal with my dad those times he was obnoxious or borderline abusive. This was the biggest single reason that I became disenchanted with the Christian faith and eventually, after a number of years and some struggle, decided to part company with the faith. I am as certain as I am of anything that doing this was the right and healthy thing for me to do.

I do not consider it to be just simply misfortune that Christianity was not of help to me, especially in dealing with my dad, but also with other things. There is, of course, the commandment to "honor your father and mother", which in the biblical text does not make any exceptions if a parent is abusive or is otherwise undeserving or unworthy of honor or respect. And there is a passage in Hebrews 12 which says to gladly accept the chastening of the Lord, like that of a "good" father (like my father, who always made a point that anything he said or did was done out of "love" and "http://www.nospank.net/fyog.htm">for my own good").

It is wrong to tell anybody who has had an abusive parent or parents that such a person has an obligation or duty to "honor your father and mother." We hear of http://blog.au.org/tag/ten-commandments/">those who want to display the Ten Commandments in public places. Anybody who wants to do so might just as well tell me to my face that it was my duty and obligation to meekly submit to and gladly accept the abuse from my dad which came in the guise of "loving" rebukes which he decided in Godlike fashion that I needed "http://www.nospank.net/fyog.htm">for my own good". :evilfrown: Or might as well tell anybody else who has or has had abusive parents that it is their duty to accept and take whatever abuse from their parents.

The Swiss writer and psychologist Alice Miller, in her http://www.alice-miller.com/books_en.php">books and on her http://www.alice-miller.com/">web http://www.naturalchild.org/alice_miller/">sites, documents the harmful effects of accepting, "forgiving", and exonerating parental abuse in the name of the commandment to "honor your father and mother". These effects include physical illness, and passing on abuse received from one's parents to one's children, or to convenient scapegoats. Alice Miller has an http://www.nospank.net/fyog13.htm">entire chapter on Hitler documenting the abuse he received from his father, and the lack of any real love from his mother, and how that made him into the person that he became.


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steveorg Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:30 PM
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19. Eliminate the theocratic commandments
The Ten Commandments were a tool to create government legitimacy at a time when superstition was rampant. Government was religion and religion was government. The first 4 or 5 commandments (depending on which version is used) do nothing but establish and enforce religion. They have absolutely nothing to do with ethics or morality.

Dumping these five commandments from the original Jewish version would be a huge improvement.
1. I am the Lord your God
2. You shall have no other gods before me
3. You shall not make for yourself an idol
4. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God
5. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 02:10 PM
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26. +1, holy =/= moral. nt
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 01:33 AM
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20. 1. Chill
That's it.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 03:20 AM
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21. 1. Your brain is there for a reason. Use it.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:06 AM
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22. Oh my god. That's what my dad used to say to me...
...every night when I was leaving the house to obviously partake in questionable activities.

He had a picture of a brain on the wall, and he would point to it and say "Use it!"

Good times.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 01:00 PM
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23. Maybe your dad is God.
That would make you... ? :P
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 01:01 PM
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24. I knew it!!!!
Shit. I better get busy!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 02:09 PM
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25. Remove the purely religious offenses and thought crimes.
Remove the honoring ones parents thing. Everyone has parents and not all of them are honorable.

Add prohibitions on rape, assault and arson.

Prohibit doing anything to harm a child.

Create a general social principle of mutual protection and support.

Create a general principal of conservation of natural conditions.

Guarantee secular governance and individual self-determination.

Guarantee impartiality of magistrates and law makers.

Clarify that the list is not exhaustive.

There, that took 5 minutes.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 03:26 PM
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27. Yes, but you didn't have to chisel them.
:rofl:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 04:05 PM
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28. Verily. It's hard to run stone through a xerox machine. nt
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