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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 08:02 AM
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Did Christianity Cause the Crash?

At Casa del Padre, the celebration of consumer culture is quite visible, along with a sense of boundless opportunity. The people in the church, for instance, tend to have very expensive cell phones—never the free ones that come with a calling plan, nor the sort that can be bought cheaply at a convenience store. “They start wanting what’s considered the best and the most technologically advanced in this country,” Lin says. Garay’s church, it seems to me, teaches them that they deserve these things, so they go about getting them, with few resources and infinite adaptability. Before the crash, one group of young men got a $12,000 loan to start a landscaping company; another man bought a $270,000 house. One of the church’s Bible-study leaders, who’d grown up in a remote village in Mexico with an abusive, alcoholic father, had become a very successful contractor by the height of the boom, managing 30 men on multiple jobs and winning contracts to paint luxury subdivisions in the exurbs.

The tenets of the prosperity gospel, and the practical advice that pastors often give their parishioners, help immigrants learn “not just how to survive but how to thrive; not just live paycheck to paycheck but handle money—manage complicated payrolls, invest in equipment,” Lin told me. Along the way, they become assimilated. “While they’re trying to be closer to God, instead they become American,” he says, from their optimism and entrepreneurialism to the very nature of their dreams.

These days, Garay’s message is more subdued than it was at the height of the boom, but not substantially different. In a sermon on Father’s Day, he did not make specific claims of financial returns on investments but instead spoke vaguely about how his congregation’s prospects were “good and going to get better.” After church, I asked Garay about how the gospel was holding up in the recession. It was a hot summer day, and although he had just finished one of his feverish two-hour sermons, he seemed energized rather than drained. “Look,” he said, and rounded his hands as if to indicate a protective shield. “The recession has not hit my church.” He reminded me that when he had asked how many people were out of work, only four people out of about 100 there had raised their hands. But in a church where failure is seen as a kind of sin, it seems credulous at best to expect an honest response to that question. I later met at least one person—Billy Gonzales’s younger brother—who didn’t have a job but hadn’t raised his hand, because he thought he’d “have one lined up soon.”

Garay describes the recession as God’s judgment—for abortion, taking prayer out of school, bikinis on television, “Desperate Housewives, whatever.” But God is also giving us a two-year window to repent, he says. He calculates that we’ve had five years of extreme plenty and now the clock is running out, based on the biblical story of Joseph and the great famine—seven years of plenty followed by seven years of a failed harvest. If we don’t repent, we will experience “misery like we have never known it.” These days, if any parishioners or fellow pastors ask Garay for investment advice, he tells them to wait two years before making a move.

Like much of Garay’s advice, this recommendation is partly grounded in economic reality, and partly drawn from mystical notions about a biblical calendar. “I’m very real,” he once told me. “If you want to eat at Red Lobster, you better have a Red Lobster paycheck, and enough left over to pay your electric bill. But I’ve also seen miracles of God.” Later, during one of our talks over coffee, his wife echoed the sentiment. “If you can’t afford a house, you shouldn’t buy it,” Hazael said, when I asked whether the prosperity gospel might push people to take irresponsible risks. “But if the Lord is telling you to ‘take that first step and I will provide,’ then you have to believe.”

I asked Garay many times about a connection between the mortgage crisis and the gospel, but he does not really see one. From everything he says about his time as a loan officer, it seems he was involved in the kinds of subprime loans that led to so many foreclosures. He was hired in Countrywide’s emerging-markets division, which meant he was expected to target the growing Latino community in the area. Like Beth Jacobson, he had no previous experience, but was valued for his connections and hustle. He makes astute criticisms of the risky loans but, like many former loan officers, he does so with a curious sense of distance, as if he had been just a cog in the machine. Loans got “too easy,” he says. “Mortgages would be $1,500 a month, and that was all made in a month,” he recalls, “but they figured they would rent the basement.” He says sometimes he told people the loans were going to kill them, but they would plead, “Please help me, please. I want a house.” Because he was becoming an increasingly prominent pastor at the time, many people who came to see him assumed he was the president of the bank and could protect them, he recalls.

Garay says as far as he knows no one in his church defaulted. But at a bare minimum, some of his parishioners have run into intense financial difficulties, sometimes defaulting soon after leaving the congregation. The man who’d bought the $270,000 house threw a huge housewarming party and invited everyone from church. He gave a weepy testimony about the house God had given him, passing around the title for all to see. At the time, he was working as a handyman, putting up drywall, painting, roofing, and doing other odd jobs. Within three months he had three families living in the three-bedroom house, and he still could not keep up with the payments. After five months, he went into foreclosure and ducked out of the country. Tony Lin is careful—and of course correct—to say that neither immigrants nor Latinos caused the crash; adherents of every stripe exhibited the same sort of magical thinking about finances, as did millions of nonbelievers. Still, he recalls, “I wasn’t very surprised when the whole subprime-mortgage thing blew up. I’m sure a loan officer never said, ‘God wants you to have a house.’ But you’ve already been taught that. Now here comes the loan officer saying, ‘Sign here, and this house will be yours.’ It feels like a gift from God. It’s the perfect fuel for the crisis.”

The guys who’d started the landscaping company also fared badly. They had a pretty good spring and summer in 2007, their first year of operation, and then business started to fall off. In church they kept giving positive testimonies, bragging about their success. But by October, they’d begun selling off their equipment; eventually they lost the business and had to go into hiding. The most interesting part of the story is the epilogue. One of the partners in the group, whom I’ll call Luis, eventually moved to Richmond, and an acquaintance from Casa del Padre told me that he’d recently run into him there. Luis hadn’t been embittered by the experience; he blamed the disaster on the fact that he’d started working on Sundays instead of going to church. Luis asked the man to come visit with some of the parishioners of his new church, to confirm that he had once been a great success. As they talked, he seemed happy and positive. “He wasn’t angry that things didn’t work out. He wasn’t angry at God. He looked back at those days and thought, ‘I can still have everything. Look what God gave me. That was a time when I had it all.’”

By many measures, Billy Gonzales does not have it all. He lives with his wife and three children in a tiny apartment on the back side of a development at the edge of town, where people hang out on the stoop until all hours. He works 45 minutes away and his car has been broken down for three months, and he does not have any money to fix it. Every day at work he is faced with a vision of what he does not have. He works for a man who just built a $4 million house—one of four the man owns. Gonzales’s job is to make sure every wine glass, garden statue, and book is dusted and in its proper place. Yet when I talked to Gonzales he was like a child hearing the ice-cream truck, or a man newly in love. “I’m crazy! Just crazy,” he said, meaning crazy for the Lord, and giving little jumps out of his chair.

I visited Gonzales one evening after he’d had a long day at work; his brother had given him a ride home. Gonzales has a wide, earnest face that can look like a child’s or, if he is tired, like an old man’s. He sat in his favorite squeaky leather chair with his Bible in one hand and a soccer ball at his feet. The sofas in the tiny living room are actually backseats ripped out of cars, with cushions thrown on them. He got the cushions from a man he once shared a trailer with, and they turned out to be infested with cockroaches. As we talked, the roaches crawled across the floor or on the sofas. Gonzales apologized but did not pay them much attention.

He told me he feels pity for his employer. He assumes the man must have been close to God at one point, or at least his family must have been, “because the rich are closer to God.” But now the man has lost his way. He laughs when Gonzales talks to him about Jesus, and he wastes his money, buying $500 birdhouses and hiring Gonzales to clean them.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200912/rosin-prosperity-gospel/3
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 08:19 AM
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1. Addicted to eternal salvation.
Edited on Sun Jan-31-10 08:21 AM by geckosfeet
Sorry for the drive by post but I think that in some cases religiosity can be just as bad as alcohol/drugs. Not sure about this guy but if I was a betting man... I'd say yes.

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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 08:35 AM
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2. Prosperity theology is unchristian.
As long as they stay rooted in materialism, they have demonstrably missed the point.
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kywildcat Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 08:46 AM
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3. I think it goes hand in hand
with teaching that your actions will be rewarded or punished in heaven/hell. Delayed responsibility. We can act with inpunity now and deal with the consequences later. Take a big concept-heaven and hell, eternal salvation or damnation and apply it economically. jmho.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 08:54 AM
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4. I always thought that poverty
was a common thread in the church. But what it really does is provide an out for being and staying poor. In a zero-sum economic system, for a few to be rich, many must be poor.

St Francis of Assisi chose to be poor as his way of serving Christ. The church has turned this around to suggest if you are poor, you are like St. Francis.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 09:06 AM
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5. I blame Christianity for everything so this is no surprise. nt
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 09:17 AM
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6. This is utterly at odds with the Christianity I was brought up with, heresy in fact..
In a recent Pew survey, 73 percent of all religious Latinos in the United States agreed with the statement: “God will grant financial success to all believers who have enough faith.”


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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:38 AM
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10. The Roman Catholic nuns that taught me would be outraged by that statement (nt)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 09:27 AM
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7. christianity is the root cause of all the problems of the world
if it was`t for christians the world would be all sugar and spice!
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 12:02 PM
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13. I assume there is some sarcasm there, but you are not totally wrong...
Its not just christianity, its all religion. If religion were kept in the church and at home in the private part of peoples lives, then the world WOULD be a better place (not necessarily sugar and spice) but I think you get the point.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:05 AM
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8. Pastors stopped preaching about it being easier for a rich man
to pass through the eye of a needle than to enter the kingdom of God.

Instead they are trying to feed them the flotsam that they are junior Rethuglicans in training.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 10:24 AM
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9. Loopy prosperity theology might have helped set
some people up to be suckered by crooked mortgage brokers, but the psychology of a bubble market had much more to do with it, the feeling that if they didn't jump at an overpriced barn today, it would be out of reach tomorrow no matter how crazy the mortgage lenders got.

Prosperity theology just helped convince them they couldn't lose, giving them a limited period of restful nights until it all came crashing down. Who knows, maybe they had a better deal than people who didn't buy into it and who knew the clock was ticking on a crummy mortgage they had no chance of paying off.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 11:17 AM
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11. Unregulated lenders making their money upfront coupled with highly ...
... overated debt instruments caused the crash.

People with little chance of success have always wanted to finance their dreams with big loans. Lenders wouldn't take the risk. Remove the risk, and make the front-end of the loan process extremely profitable, and you have a crisis in the making.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 11:46 AM
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12. He is mistaking Bear Stearns for God. That money was filthy lucre.
They kept dishing out that cash and packaging loans like his as toxic waste which they unloaded on trusting investors who were left holding the bag.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 12:59 PM
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14. More Like a LACK of Christianity
as understood by small "c" christians: living the example.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 03:00 PM
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15. Greed caused the crash
How is one of the seven deadly sins "Christian?"
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