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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 10:01 PM
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The Pope Is Not Above the Law
The crimes within the Catholic Church demand justice.
By Christopher Hitchens


One by one, as I http://www.slate.com/id/2247861/">predicted, the pathetic excuses of Joseph Ratzinger's apologists evaporate before our eyes. It was said until recently that when the http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/world/europe/26church.html">Rev. Peter Hullermann was found to be a vicious pederast in 1980, the man who is now pope had no personal involvement in his subsequent transfer to his own diocese or in his later unimpeded career as a rapist and a molester. But now we find that the psychiatrist to whom the church turned for "therapy" was adamant that Hullermann never be allowed to go near children ever again. We also find that Ratzinger was one of those to whom the memo about Hullermann's transfer was actually addressed. All attempts to place the blame on a loyal subordinate, Ratzinger's vicar general, the Rev. Gerhard Gruber, have predictably failed. According to a http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/world/europe/28church.html">recent report, "the transfer of Father Hullermann from Essen would not have been a routine matter, experts said." Either that—damning enough in itself—or it perhaps would have been a routine matter, which is even worse. Certainly the pattern—of finding another parish with fresh children for the priest to assault—is the one that has become horribly "routine" ever since and became standard practice when Ratzinger became a cardinal and was placed in charge of the church's global response to clerical pederasty.

So now a new defense has had to be hastily improvised. It is argued that, during his time as archbishop of Munich and Freising, Germany, Ratzinger was So now a new defense has had to be hastily improvised. It is argued that, during his time as archbishop of Munich and Freising, Germany, Ratzinger was more http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/world/europe/28church.html?ref=europe">preoccupied with doctrinal questions than with mere disciplinary ones. Of course, of course: The future pope had his eyes fixed on ethereal and divine matters and could not be expected to concern himself with parish-level atrocities. This cobbled-up apologia actually repays a little bit of study. What exactly were these doctrinal issues? Well, apart from punishing a priest who celebrated a Mass at an anti-war demonstration—which incidentally does seems to argue for a "hands-on" approach to individual clergymen—Ratzinger's chief concern appears to have been that of first communion and first confession. Over the previous decade, it had become customary in Bavaria to subject small children to their first communion at a tender age but to wait a year until they made their first confession. It was a matter of whether they were old enough to understand. Enough of this liberalism, said Ratzinger, the first confession should come in the same year as the first communion. One priest, the Rev. Wilfried Sussbauer, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/world/europe/28church.html">reports that he wrote to Ratzinger expressing misgivings about this and received "an extremely biting letter" in response.

So it seems that 1) Ratzinger was quite ready to take on individual priests who gave him any trouble, and 2) he was very firm on one crucial point of doctrine: Get them young. Tell them in their infancy that it is they who are the sinners. Instill in them the necessary sense of guilt. This is not at all without relevance to the disgusting scandal into which the pope has now irretrievably plunged the church he leads. Almost every episode in this horror show has involved small children being seduced and molested in the confessional itself. To take the most heart-rending cases to have emerged recently, namely the torment of deaf children in the church-run schools in Wisconsin and Verona, Italy, it is impossible to miss the calculated manner in which the predators used the authority of the confessional in order to get their way. And again the identical pattern repeats itself: Compassion is to be shown only to the criminals. http://documents.nytimes.com/reverend-lawrence-c-murphy-abuse-case?ref=us#document/p29Ratzinger's own fellow clergy in Wisconsin wrote to him urgently]—by this time he was a cardinal in Rome, supervising the global Catholic cover-up of rape and torture—beseeching him to remove the Rev. Lawrence C. Murphy,http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/27/us/27wisconsin.html"> ho had comprehensively wrecked the lives of as many as 200 children who could not communicate their misery except in sign language. And no response was forthcoming until Father Murphy himself http://documents.nytimes.com/reverend-lawrence-c-murphy-abuse-case#document/p54">appealed to Ratzinger for mercy—and was granted it.[/div>read more: http://www.slate.com/id/2249130

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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 10:31 PM
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1. Unfortunately he probably IS above the law
He's a head of state -- the Vatican is considered a sovereign nation.

It pains me to say this 'cause I cannot stomach the sight of that bastard.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 10:45 PM
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2. That sovereign nation needs to be blockaded and left to its own devices
The hierarchy needs to be completely abolished as it is now. It's hopelessly corrupt. No one at the level of Bishop or above is untainted. Either they took part in shuffling pederasts around or they knew about it.
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 11:13 PM
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4. I'd be just as happy to see the whole rotten thing come crashing down
IMHO no good ever came from that "religion", or any "religion" quite frankly.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 12:35 AM
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5. But is he above the law for his conduct prior to Popification?
The main controversy is what role he played prior to being named Pope. Any criminal acts would have been committed by a German citizen and taken place on German soil.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 10:46 PM
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3. The Head of another state is beyond our law. Unless we're planning to go
in there with bombs, looking for WMD's.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 12:37 AM
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6. I think the matter is whether he's above the law for when he was a German Cardinal.
I would think that German authorities could make a case against him for crimes committed prior to him becoming a head of state.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 01:12 AM
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7. They still can't go after another head of state; not unless they're willing
Edited on Tue Mar-30-10 01:14 AM by pnwmom
to start a war. Being the Pope isn't a job that people retire from. There's not going to be a point where he'll have to step down, at which time they might have been able to go after him.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 01:26 AM
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8. I don't think Hitchens expects anyone to do a Noriega on him
Rather, he should endure the ignominy of being "wanted in 17 countries" so he'll have to worry about getting pinched if he lands in the wrong place, like other international criminals.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:52 AM
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12. That never happened to Bush, Rove, etc., who were responsible for millions of deaths.
It will never happen to Ratzinger.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 07:52 AM
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17. "How many divisions does the Pope have?"
-Joe Stalin
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:04 AM
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9. And he will continue to shelter Cardinal Law and any others who would be prosecuted.
That's your reward, boys, Father Church will keep you safe and warm, we take care of our own.

:mad:
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:37 PM
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13. Thank you.
Everybody seems to have forgotten about Cardinal Law in this latest scandal. Law is still being kept from extradition and punishment for crimes committed in the US.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:11 AM
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15. I find vigilante justice abhorrent,
but is it so wrong to long for it when there is no other, and there never will be?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:59 PM
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19. An extradition request would probably require an actual indictment first
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:31 AM
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10. Imagine what it must be like for the men who publicly admitted to being sexually abused by priests.
How difficult that must be, going up against the Church, possibly alienating your friends and family and even worse, having people look at you with pity (if they believe you) and anger (if they don't) in their eyes.

Knowing that they will never pay for their crimes, I doubt I could be so brave.

Where is justice?

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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 08:02 AM
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11. comic
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 07:00 PM
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14. Usually, I think Hitchens is a thoroughly soused blowhard
not worthy of the few seconds it might take to read or listen to.

In this, I'm afraid I have to largely agree.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 01:42 AM
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16. He's like a 17th century clock.
It runs fast and slow based on the weather, but every once in a while, it's right.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 02:17 PM
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18. LOL... yes, exactly. Well put. nt
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