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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:21 PM
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Today's Sermon On The Blog: Star Trek & The Five Lights
For darkstar3:

I'm about to do something I swore I would never do. I'm about to write a philosophical post based on a Star Trek episode.

You remember that episode where Picard was captured by the Cardassians?

They didn't ask him any questions about Federation security or technology or anything like that. The interrogator sat him down in front of this bank of lights and asked him how many there were.

There were four lights.

Picard answered correctly. "I see four lights."

The interrogator shocked him with this torture device and corrected his mistake. "There are FIVE lights. Now, how many lights are there."

Picard paused, recognizing the game. He answered again, "I see four lights."

The interrogator shocked him again and repeated his question, "How many lights do you see?"

Picard stuck to his guns. Louder this time. "I SEE FOUR LIGHTS!"

The interrogator stormed out of the room. Picard would not get any food or water until he agreed that there were FIVE lights.



I believe our country, our culture, our whole bloody WORLD is like this interrogation room.

Consider my perspective.

I'm living in a highly Christian town, in a highly Christian state, in a very mystical world.

I have intelligence, ability, charm, and ambition. I could wrap this town around my finger if I wanted to. But first, I have to answer the question, "How many lights do you see?"

I feel like Jesus, brought high on the mountain to look down upon the Earth. The powerful men, the string-pullers, are making me an offer. "You can have whatever you want. We'll give you fame and power nd money and love and everything else men crave. All you have to do is tell us how many lights you see."

I know what answer they want. But I can't give it to them. The answer they want is the WRONG answer.

But who am I to decide what the right answer is? I'm just one man. Fragile and scared and alone. Besides, these guys have been counting lights for 40 years. I just started counting three years ago.
Maybe there really ARE five lights. Maybe I'm just being stubborn. Maybe my dad is right. I've been told there are five lights all my life. Maybe I'm just REBELLING. Maybe I'll "grow out of it."

I hear the old ones talk sometimes. I tell them how many lights I see and they look down on me and they pat my head. They say, "When I was your age, I only saw four lights. But when you get to be MY age -- when you get a little more EXPERIENCE, you'll realize that there were five lights, all along."

I met a pretty girl yesterday. She was smart and funny and talking to her made me feel happy inside. I didn't want to ask the question. I tried not to ask. I tried to forget there even WAS a question. I tried to top caring about the answer.

But finally, I couldn't stand it anymore. I asked her, "How many lights do you see?"

She smiled at me in that familiar way and said, "There are five lights, of course. What a silly question!"

I asked my Grandmother about it. Tactfully, of course. I asked her, "Grandma, have you ever considered the possibility, just the POSSIBILITY, that there are only four lights?"

Grandma got very angry. She said it was evil to say things like that. She said bad things happen to people who don't see five lights. She told me about Uncle Charlie and Aunt Sue. Uncle Charlie and Aunt Sue said there were only four lights, but they did lots of drugs and they beat their kids and they didn't even celebrate CHRISTMAS, for God's sake!

She said my mother saw five lights and she wanted me to see five lights, and if she wasn't dead already, hearing that I only saw four lights would kill her.

She said I might as well go to my mother's grave and spit on it, talking about four lights that way.

I loved my mother, and I miss her, and I wouldn't want to make her angry or sad. But no matter how hard I squint and stare and rub my eyes, all I ever see is four lights.

When I was really little they took me to this pretty house and asked me how many lights I saw. I was very young, and I wanted to make my parents happy, so I said I saw five lights. They held me under the water for a little while and when I came up, they said I could be in the five-lights club.

At first, it was fun being in the five-lights club. Talking about the five lights made my parents very happy. I got to play with the other children and sing songs and once I made a little house out of popsicle sticks.

But as I got older, I started to worry. Everybody around me got so happy when I talked about the five lights, I started to feel guilty about it. I felt guilty about lying.

I was a good speaker, and I knew lots of big words. My parents said I should devote my life to talking about the five lights. I didn't really say anything when the subject came up. I just smiled and changed the subject.

Finally, after I was all grown up, I decided to stop lying. I decided to tell everyone that I only saw four lights -- to apologize for lying all this time.

Some of the people I told got angry. Some of them got sad. And some of them said it was "just a phase" I was going through.

I told my friends about it. Friends so close they were like brothers. Closer than any real family I ever had. We all agreed on the number of lights while we were growing up, but we never really talked about it.

It wasn't something you really TALKED about, when you were a kid. You just accepted it as fact. There were five lights. Everybody around you saw five lights and they taught you to see five lights, and that's how many there were, until the day you died.

You could talk about what color they were or how bright they were, but the number never changed. There were FIVE lights, dammit, and bad things happen to people who only see four!

I told my friends how many lights I saw. I knew it would shock them but I knew they loved me. I knew they would accept my belief, even if they didn't share it.

I was surprised when they started asking me questions:

"How do you KNOW how many lights there are?"
"Are you SURE there are only four lights?"
"Millions of people see five lights, who are YOU to only see four?"
"The fifth light is invisible, but you're supposed to see it anyway!"
"We're not wrong, your eyes are wrong!"

They were still my friends. They still loved me. But now there was something wrong. Even when we're not talking about the lights, I can tell they're thinking about them.

They don't just see ME when they look at me anymore. They see the guy who only sees four lights.

They keep their distance sometimes. They were told that bad things happen to people like me. They're afraid that if they get too close, bad things will happen to them, too.

I haven't told my Grandma yet. I haven't talked to her in a long time. I'm afraid to talk to her, because I know that if we talk, she's going to ask me the question.

I've lied to her for 20 years, but I'm not going to lie anymore. If she asks me how many lights I see, I'm going to tell her the truth.
After I tell her the truth, a lot of people are going to be worried about me. Some of them are going to hate me. I don't know which part bothers me more -- the hate or the worry.

I'd rather have people hate me than worry about me. I'm funny that way.

Before I go, I want to ask you a question.

You don't have to answer right away. You don't even have to say it out loud. Later tonight, when the doors are all locked and the lights are out and there's no one around to hear you or hate you or worry about you, take a moment and ask yourself -- honestly --

How many lights do you see?



http://ascrivenerslament.blogspot.com/2005/11/todays-sermon-on-blogstar-trek-five.html">From today's guest minister, Usenet's "Jaffo":
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:24 PM
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1. another blogger insanely full of themself
"I have intelligence, ability, charm, and ambition. I could wrap this town around my finger if I wanted to. But first, I have to answer the question, "How many lights do you see?"

I feel like Jesus, brought high on the mountain to look down upon the Earth. The powerful men, the string-pullers, are making me an offer. "You can have whatever you want. We'll give you fame and power nd money and love and everything else men crave. All you have to do is tell us how many lights you see."

I know what answer they want. But I can't give it to them. The answer they want is the WRONG answer."

with all thy getting, get over thyself

seriously

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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 12:18 AM
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15. I Know! Silly Atheist! Being Rational Is SO Conceited!
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 12:22 AM
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17. Blog Envy.
:evilgrin:
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 01:30 PM
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25. i know. silly toaterlad with your strawman
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 01:31 PM by paulsby
try reading my post again.

clearly , your reading comprehension is lacking

it has NOTHING to do with his beliefs or lack thereof vis a vis religion...

it has to do with the statements i quoted, such as

"I have intelligence, ability, charm, and ambition. I could wrap this town around my finger if I wanted to."

riiiiiiiight

it's like the old usenet braggadacio where 14 yr old nerds in their momma's basement claimed 600 lb raw squats.


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ChadwickHenryWard Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 10:42 PM
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29. You realize it's not real, right?
It's just a story, a ferinstance. It's not really a story about five lights, it's a metaphor for being irreligious in a very religious society. The blogger isn't really being so self-aggrandizing, it's just an example.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:26 PM
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2. That story meant alot to me also.
Edited on Sun Apr-04-10 04:38 PM by RandomThoughts
There are four lights, because no man is a light, the light is from above.

I think it is also about trying to get people to worship men as being like gods. I disagree with that, all men are flawed. Only God Almighty, the lights as I see them, are worthy of the status of lights.

But they want to break you and make you say they are like gods, they are not, they are like snakes at best.


There are four lights.

And I can even smile when saying it :)



It should be noted, that in the wilderness evil offered a kingdom to Jesus, if he would just worship evil. He refused. I see that as part of the meaning of that.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:54 PM
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3. My grandmother, before she died at 102, saw that one episode of Star Trek with us.
When it finished, she said simply, "That was a very good show."

I miss her.

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 06:00 PM
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4. Yes, it was. It took my breath away and haunts me to this day.
Edited on Sun Apr-04-10 06:00 PM by beam me up scottie
Your grandmother was sharper at her age than many people will ever be.

I'm sorry for your loss.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 07:52 PM
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8. Thanks. She really was sharp, too
and a real sweetheart.

:grouphug:

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 07:57 PM
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9. Both of mine died shortly after I was born.
They got to meet me but I never knew them. :hug:

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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 06:33 PM
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5. You know what I remember and like best about that two epi arc?
Capt. Jellico told Counselor Troi to stop whining to him about the crew's feelings and to start wearing a Starfleet regulation uniform like everyone else.

Capt. Jellico also told somebody to "Get those damn fish out," of his ready-room. Ronny Cox was a good bad-ass.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 07:11 PM
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6. LOL!
He reminded me of Bones.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 07:34 PM
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7. Bones didn't have $hit on Jellico when it came to crotchetiness!
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 11:32 PM
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10. Gosh, I haven't thought about that TNG episode in years.
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 12:01 AM by iris27
I understand how the author feels though...sometimes the pressure laid on by family, friends, and society in general is so thick that it seems like the answer they're really looking for is "Do it to Julia!"
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 11:40 PM
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11. Exactly.
It takes a lot of guts to come out as an adult atheist in the bible belt, imagine being a kid...
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 11:54 PM
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12. There. Are. FOUR. LIGHTS!!
I can't tell you how many times I've thought about that episode. Now that I realize I no longer have it on my computer, I think I may have to go and find it again.

Thank you for posting this. :yourock:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 12:05 AM
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13. Was painful to watch, but you never forget it.
Reminds me of something Stephen King wrote, too:

~The beauty of religious mania is that it has the power to explain everything. Once God is accepted as the first cause of everything which happens in the mortal world, nothing is left to chance ... logic can be happily tossed out the window.

If you can make yourself believe there are five lights...




and you're more than welcome! :D
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 12:14 AM
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14. King may call it beauty,
but I call it horror. How fucking BORING would life be if we had all the answers? How much MORE boring would it be if all of those answers were exactly the same?

I'm suddenly struck by a strong memory from Madeline L'engle's A Wrinkle in Time...a street that runs on to the horizon, filled with duplicate houses, where duplicate children stand in duplicate driveways and bounce duplicate balls on the exact same rhythm...:scared:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 12:18 AM
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16. I think he was looking at it from the snake oil salesman's perspective.
If you can convince the children that there are five lights, everything that comes after will be easy.
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 12:29 AM
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18. So, HIS point of view...:)
(Sorry if I offend, but I've never liked King.)
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 12:48 AM
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19. Not even "The Shawshank Redemption"?
One of my favorites!
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 07:46 AM
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22. Meh. n/t
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 09:58 AM
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24. Well, if anyone can find beauty in horror, it would be King, wouldn't it?
:)

I guess his quote needed the sarcasm icon.
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ChadwickHenryWard Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 10:26 PM
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27. I never even really watched Star Trek
but I've seen that episode and it left an indelible mark on me. It's a brilliant recapitulation of what they did to Winston at the end of 1984, except with Picard winning in the end. Brilliant.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 05:01 AM
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20. Those damned four lights fundamentalists!
They're JUST AS BAD as the five lights fundamentalists! Can't we all just agree there are lights? Well, that for some people there are lights, and maybe for others not? Isn't the number of lights just a personal truth each person has to discover for themselves? Maybe each number of different lights people believe in is just an aspect of a greater truth!?

:sarcasm:
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 07:21 AM
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21. "I have intelligence, ability, charm, and ambition. I could wrap this town around my finger if I ...
... I wanted to."

Sure you could. It's just that, gee, there are no successful atheists. :eyes:
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 07:54 AM
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23. I see what you did there...
Ladies and Gentlemen, Act 1 of "logical fallacies" was shorter than expected, so there will be short interval.

...In the meantime, we'd like to show you a short film, starring a man with a tape recorder up his nose...

This concludes the interval. We now resume with Act 2 of "Logical Fallacies".
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 09:59 PM
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26. Wait til you see the sequel: A Man With A Tape Recorder...
...Up His Brother's Nose!

Yeah. I know. Right?
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ChadwickHenryWard Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 10:52 PM
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30. I don't know about that.
It's pretty much impossible for an open atheist to be elected to political office in this country. Sure, you can be successful in any number of other ways, but there's just no being elected if you don't at least pretend to believe in God.
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ChadwickHenryWard Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 10:38 PM
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28. That was gorgeous.
It really captures the sadness of being the outsider, of everybody being so sure when when they're so completely and transparently wrong, and being around people who think "it doesn't matter what you believe, just that you believe something!"
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:55 PM
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31. The last scene with Picard and Troi
Picard said that he told the Cardassian there were 4 lights when he was rescued, he told Troi at the end he really saw 5 lights. What's the lesson there? Just being around religion and giving it any validity in the face of reality makes us deluded even when we know the truth? Ugh. Time for bed.
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:07 AM
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32. I'm pretty sure the lesson there is
"torture can quite seriously fuck with the human mind".
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