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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 01:34 PM
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DU Catholics: Why is Escrivá a saint?
The man sided with Generalissimo Francisco Franco and used confessions to out Communists, Socialists and Republicans.

The man sided with Adolf Hitler for fucks sake!

He was a known anti-semite, and to add insult to injury, he is also the FOUNDER of Opus Dei.

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 02:06 PM
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1. Because he's the Founder
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 02:06 PM by Mz Pip
of Opus Dei. Conservative Catholics love that stuff.

I do wonder what miracles are attributed to him. I think in order to become a saint you need 3.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 02:28 PM
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2. The first miracle was...
...that anyone ever thought to consider him as a saint.

The second miracle was that the idea wasn't laughably dismissed at once.

The third miracle was that they went through the crazy idea and canonized him. :)

The Lord works in mysterious ways, doncha know.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 04:18 PM
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4. Her's something on a miracle.
Basically some guy had cancer and prayed to this Escriva. His cancer disappeared so the cure was attributed to Escriva.

http://www.vatican.va/latest/documents/escriva_miracolo-canoniz_en.html
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 10:44 AM
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8. His canonization was rail-roaded by John Paul II
John Paul II was almost certainly a secret member of the misogynistic Opus Dei cult that has taken over the Catholic Church. It has been revealed that he like some members of Opus Dei engaged in self flagellation. One of his aides revealed with great admiration that he never relented and did it when on vacation. These people are seriously deranged. John Paul II was a sick abuse enabler and continued to protect Marcial Maciel who was finally removed as head of the Legions of Christ by Ratzinger when he became pope. It will prove interesting when some of the conservative nitwits in Opus Dei push to get John Paul II canonized. But, I suppose like in the case of the Opus Dei founder, those who came forth to testify against his cause will not be allowed to testify. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Catholics are very uninformed about their own church leadership. They go to mass on Sunday and that is the extent of their involvement.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 02:44 PM
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3. Beats the hell outta me.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 04:44 PM
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5. Seems that you've answered your own question.
;-)
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 09:16 PM
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6. Yep. Nice resume.
I'm surprised they didn't canonize him while he was still alive.
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ChadwickHenryWard Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 11:03 PM
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7. "In the case of saints, they must be presumed guilty until proven innocent."
George Orwell. I'm not sure I totally agree with that, but the values used by the RCC in determining who deserves sainthood are not necessarily the same values we all prize as a secular society. We shouldn't be surprised when things like politics become the real concern in such matters.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 09:53 PM
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9. Welcome to the Church of Ratzo ! Jesus, we don't need no stinkin Peace !
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