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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:04 PM
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"Obama prays for W. Va. miners"
Obama prays for W. Va. miners
By POLITICO STAFF | 04/09/10 3:17 PM

President Obama said Friday that "more needs to be done" to ensure mine safety and praised rescue teams seeking to recover missing workers after this week's deadly West Virginia coal mine explosion.

"Their government and their employer know that they owe it to these families to do everything possible to ensure their safety when they go to work each day," Obama said of the miners. "It's not just a way to make a living. It's a way of life. And the jobs they do in these mines help bring heat and electricity."

Obama said he spoke to some family members of victims of the blast that killed at least 25 miners in Montcoal. The president said one mother told him: "It is just West Virginia. When something bad happens, we come together."

"Through tragedy and heartache, that's the spirit that has sustained this community and this country for over 200 years," Obama continued.

He ended by quoting a psalm: "You, oh Lord, keep my lamp burning. My God turns my darkness into light."
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0410/keep_my_lamp_burning_200bdd62-ab0f-4008-ab5c-545f05fc2062.html


The verse comes from Psalms 18, one of the greats...

Psalm 18

1I will love thee, O LORD, my strength.

2The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.

3I will call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.

4The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.

5The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

6In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears.

7Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.

8There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.

9He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.

10And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.

11He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.

12At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire.

13The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.

14Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them.

15Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.

16He sent from above, he took me, he drew me out of many waters.

17He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me: for they were too strong for me.

18They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the LORD was my stay.

19He brought me forth also into a large place; he delivered me, because he delighted in me.

20The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.

21For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.

22For all his judgments were before me, and I did not put away his statutes from me.

23I was also upright before him, and I kept myself from mine iniquity.

24Therefore hath the LORD recompensed me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his eyesight.

25With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;

26With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.

27For thou wilt save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.

28For thou wilt light my candle: the LORD my God will enlighten my darkness.

29For by thee I have run through a troop; and by my God have I leaped over a wall.

30As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.

31For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

32It is God that girdeth me with strength, and maketh my way perfect.

33He maketh my feet like hinds' feet, and setteth me upon my high places.

34He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms.

35Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy right hand hath holden me up, and thy gentleness hath made me great.

36Thou hast enlarged my steps under me, that my feet did not slip.

37I have pursued mine enemies, and overtaken them: neither did I turn again till they were consumed.

38I have wounded them that they were not able to rise: they are fallen under my feet.

39For thou hast girded me with strength unto the battle: thou hast subdued under me those that rose up against me.

40Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy them that hate me.

41They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but he answered them not.

42Then did I beat them small as the dust before the wind: I did cast them out as the dirt in the streets.

43Thou hast delivered me from the strivings of the people; and thou hast made me the head of the heathen: a people whom I have not known shall serve me.

44As soon as they hear of me, they shall obey me: the strangers shall submit themselves unto me.

45The strangers shall fade away, and be afraid out of their close places.

46The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted.

47It is God that avengeth me, and subdueth the people under me.

48He delivereth me from mine enemies: yea, thou liftest me up above those that rise up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man.

49Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name.

50Great deliverance giveth he to his king; and sheweth mercy to his anointed, to David, and to his seed for evermore.

~ from the King James Version
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:09 PM
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1. Hopefully the families of the miners are slightly soothed by President Obama's gesture. nt
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:10 PM
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2. Words and prayers are cheap. Obama's MSHA has been almost as useless as Bush's.
Will this change anything? Not holding my breath.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:12 PM
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3. I killed a chicken and screamed "Hootenanny". Maybe that will help!
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 02:49 AM
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15. Depends on a few things:
-The size and color of the chicken
-How you killed it and what you did with the body.
-Which direction you faced and how many times you screamed "hootenanny."

Depending on the circumstances, you may have inadvertently canceled Obama's prayer.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:57 AM
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16. Damn!!! I think I did it wrong!
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 04:26 PM
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18. Nice going. Now Obama's prayer might go unanswered.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:14 PM
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4. Don't we ALL who believe in A Higher Power?
http://www.godlistens.org/mission.html

"GOD LISTENS" to Christians, Jews, Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists and people of all religious backgrounds and all faiths. God even listens to people who call themselves atheists in their moments of despair.

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ZeitgeistObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:18 PM
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5. No, that makes an untrue assumption.
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 11:20 PM by ZeitgeistObserver
edited because I missed the end of the sentence!
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:23 PM
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7. Why did God let them die in the first place then? n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:26 PM
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8. I don't know but now, I pray that they all may Rest-In-Peace.
:shrug:
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ZeitgeistObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:37 PM
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9. They might, but their families never will.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:53 PM
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10. "Never" is a long time. The emotional pain is devastating, I get that truism.
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ZeitgeistObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 12:23 AM
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11. What you should pray for
is that their kids find something better to do with their lives.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 12:34 AM
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12. Well put.
I will.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 01:58 AM
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13. Thank you for the commercial. So does god listen to...
Edited on Sat Apr-10-10 01:59 AM by onager
--The Catholics or the Protestants in Northern Ireland?

--The Sunni Muslims or the Shi'ite Muslims in the Middle East?

--The Ultra-Orthodox, Orthodox, or Reform Jews?

--The Lutherans, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Congregationalists, Presbyterians, Methodists, Baptists, etc.?

Apparently he's telling all of them simultaneously: "Kick the shit out of each other. And take that other guy's tithes!"
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 02:11 AM
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14. Thank you for that. n/t
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 11:39 AM
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17. I really don't need proslethizing in here.
I mean, great that you think that if that god-shaped hole in my heart gets so big and aches so much that I call out for the lord he will listen to me, but keep it to yourself, huh. I'm sure most non-atheists on here don't even realize that the last sentence is really offensive to atheists. Probably don't care, either. Probably calling me a fundamentalist atheists in your head right now. See, THIS is the world we atheists have to live in each damn day.
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 05:42 PM
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19. Do you even understand why your post is insensitive?
It makes assumptions that paint you in a less-than-tolerant light.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:07 PM
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22. So you're saying that god listens....
...but nonetheless chooses to ignore a plea for help?

- Oh yeah, that's right. It's those mysterious ways that we're not suppose to question because there are no answers for them.....

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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:22 PM
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6. Pray for them if you want.
But ENFORCE THE DAMNED REGULATIONS.

Talk is cheap, Mr. President.
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:22 PM
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20. +1
I dont know if its an arabic proverb or from the Koran or what, but I like this one:

Trust in God but first tie up your camel.

Pray all you want Barrack but enforce the damn regulations.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 08:47 PM
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21. +1....Absolutely!
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:20 PM
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23. I agree with you, however.....
...it would appear that they are "enforcing" the regulations. The problem here are the regulations themselves. Particularly when they've been written in such a way http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/09/AR2010040905653.html">that they allow the coal companies limitless appeals to offset action being taken against them that would result in shutting them down until they comply with safety standards.

It's like being found guilty of a crime, but being allowed to walk free while you appeal. Over and over again. While your lawyers whittle the sentence down to a paltry fine. And the dying continues.

- So I think they'll need to change the regulations to remove these loopholes, before they can enforce them to any effect.....
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