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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:33 PM Original message |
The Big Bang Happened 13.7 Billion Years Ago, Therefore There Must Exist a God! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. Since modern theory also postulates that universes come and go |
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nebenaube (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. agreed... |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
25. well, the climate deniers all say it's "cyclical", so ... |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. I love the artificial phrase "everything that begins to exist." |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
28. That reasoning is every bit as credible as any other assumptions, |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. "Everything that begins to exist must have a cause" |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Well the difference is that the big bang was a change in state. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. "Because it came from nothing to something" |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. How do you know what you claim to know? |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. I was making the point of the argument. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:15 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. "Although the supernatural is proven." |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:41 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. LOL, I did not say I could explain it to you, I said it was proven. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 02:26 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I see. In order to see the proof of the supernatural, I first must convince myself it exists. |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 03:35 AM Original message |
If I explained it to you, you would not believe me. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
35. May I offer an analogy? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. So, "belief" is normal behavior while lack of belief is cancerous? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:13 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Nope |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Either way, |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:54 AM Response to Reply #53 |
65. Cancer |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:20 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Referring to a subset of humanity as cancerous in an analogy |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:25 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Where is the |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:29 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. HA! |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:42 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Twas not |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:46 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Oh, so you're a master baiter? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 03:23 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. So it would seem |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 03:35 AM Original message |
Actually, my silence is just that, silence. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
87. There's no defence |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. So now a person need only defend their POV when in court? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 03:35 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. dupe |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. So be it, it will be proven to you. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:24 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. No thanks |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 03:35 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. If I explained it to you, you would not believe me. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. Tek ma te, LS. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
32. Well reasoned. nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
39. Why is it that so many people end a nearly infinite regression, |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:03 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Nearly? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Typical... |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:47 AM Response to Reply #55 |
69. Logical consistency |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:02 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. False parallel. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:33 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Empty caveat |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:36 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. You only think it still stands. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 03:13 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Your not making any sense |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 03:26 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. It makes perfect sense. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Tempest in a teapot |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Tama, "your mouth is talking. You might wanna look to that." n/t |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Interesting. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
7. Quantum theory requires that for the Universe would be in a state of superpostion a state... |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. "Observer" isn't necessarily a thinking entity |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Actually, consciousness itself is hypothesized as a quantum property... |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Couldn't find the article... |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. Who knows if in all the universe complex powers exist that may be defined as |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
12. Time may also have been "created" with the big bang |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
13. So....... |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:33 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Where did God exist when the universe was the size of an atom? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
36. Singularity |
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AmericaIsGreat (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
16. Direction of discomfort to physicists? |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 02:01 AM Response to Original message |
21. There is a force in the universe greater and more powerful |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
22. A physicist experiencing doubt and uncertainty |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:17 AM Response to Original message |
26. You have convinced me with empiricism, not speculation. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Your theological predecessors told us... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. If human scientific knowledge ever becomes capable of fully explaining the universe, |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. As would your feeble attempts at witty one-liners, sadly. n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I'm flattered you equate my jokes with cosmology. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Hey, you provided the compliment to me first. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Nothing fully explains the universe. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. "only one thing" sounds rather dogmatic. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. The proof is in the pudding. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. There is important difference |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. From this, |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. Time itself as we know it in this universe began with the Big Bang. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:45 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Time "began"? n/t |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Did "space" begin? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. To quote silent3: |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:35 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. And now you've hit the problem in the OP. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:16 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Yup |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:22 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Assuming that I'm reading your cut up word salad correctly, |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:45 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. If so, |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:48 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Only if you're redefining "logical consistency" to mean "whatever rules make me sound right". n/t |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
33. Then who was phone? |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
37. A plane crashes killing 200 passengers. One survives... |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
51. What error do you see in his logic? |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. It's an error in reasoning to use a faulty premise |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. He supports his premises with quotes from experts. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. That's called an argument from authority. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Actually it's not. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Um... |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Supporting a premise is not the same as proclaiming that the support is necessarily correct - n/t |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Wow. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 08:30 AM Response to Reply #64 |
85. Hardly. It is not an "argument from authority" to use an expert opinion to support your assertion. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. It becomes an argument from authority |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. "It becomes an argument from authority ..." - Nonsense. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. And you think using only quotes from supposed authorities to support a premise |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. That's taking a very narrow view of reasoning. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. It's taking a formal view of a formal argument. |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
93. Hey...you don't even own your own thoughts !... Go ahead and try to stop them ! |
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Beringia (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
94. thanks for posting n/t |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
95. This is the Big Bang. |
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