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davidswanson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:38 PM Original message |
Chris Hedges' Hangup on Religion |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. Without religion, there would be no morality? Atheists cannot be good and moral people? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. They can, but they are dwindling. |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Attacking religious faith has nothing to do with immorality. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. You're broadbrushing. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Hardly. . . "That Medieval Christendom was a moral setback is universally accepted" ... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #30 |
59. You have a love of fiction. Here is what Durant actually says: "All in all, the picture we form |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. Well, let's see |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
61. So your definition of 'good and moral' has to include 'does not attack religions'? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. The poster objected to broad-brushing, so you fabricate a dictate "do not attack religion" |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #66 |
88. Reply #1 asked if atheists can be good and moral people |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:03 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. The poster appreciated atheists who were "amicable, educated, smart and rational people" |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. You're joking, right? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Not joking at all. And a cursory search of posts here |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Bigotry and hate? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Exactly what I said. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. You are mistaking criticism of beliefs for attacks against persons, I think. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Agree . . . and this is a public forum . . . if one doesn't want to discuss religion -- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. If you acknowledge the Crusades or Witchburnings, you are a "bigot, filled with hate" . . .!! |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I don't think 'a cursory search of posts' on DU |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. It sure will. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. I'd certainly be interested in seeing those you can bring to our attention . . . |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Should your observations of . . .. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Y'know, I never really thought of Manifest Destiny as a religious concept |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Well, yeah |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. Could you provide some links to these posts? |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. "I'm not the first or only to notice it" |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:50 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. You have got to be kidding. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 04:03 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I don't know if you've spent time in other Internet forums |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 04:57 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. The “rules of engagement” are to falsify and lie? |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. How could I have guessed that you would make a straw man of my position? |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. “those are the rules of engagement,” is your direct response to what I described. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Why the hell should I try to clarify? You'll just straw man me again |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:52 AM Response to Reply #71 |
78. You shouldn’t because you can’t. I can't do it again because I haven't done it once. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:26 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Didn't read your post. Not interested anymore. n/t |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:10 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Cool.You clearly didn't read the first post either. No change n/t |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Good, then we're cool. n/t |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
44. I thought it would take longer |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:29 AM Response to Reply #17 |
48. What you describe is indeed verifiable and demonstrable. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 04:05 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. "No good ever came of religion" |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 06:18 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. I believe the original was “F%$# religion, No good ever came of religion” |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
41. Inquisition, Crusades, Burning of Witches. VERY open minded and tolerant |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. "All the saints are in churches and all the sinners outside of them" . . . ??/ |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. I guess if I were a follower of a "male supremist religion", I'd not like that. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. So, you are "a person of faith" who follows no organized religion? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
46. Do you always attribute phony quotes to the people you disagree with? |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:25 AM Response to Reply #46 |
81. Apparently it comes under the acceptable “rules of engagement” |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Wait, I take back number 83. We're not cool |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. Hasn’t been cool since your falsification in 51#. Thrice+ explained to you. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 12:57 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. I still don't see the distinction |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Deleted sub-thread |
skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
33. Well you seem to have forgotten |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
43. You mean the ones that just shut up? |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
45. Because those atheists minded their own business, right? |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
47. Your post reminded me of the WW2 Vets |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Yep...the good ol' days. Probably before everyone knew that the Salvation Army .... |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:15 AM Response to Reply #58 |
82. And that “executive fiat” negates the history of their war service |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. I can name them for you. |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Oh Dear......"NGO"= 'Non Government Organization'........n/t |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
85. Those people are going the same way of blacks, Jews, and gays who "knew their place". |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #85 |
93. ... |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. Interesting! |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
42. Equivocating on the meaning of the word faith is a favorite trick |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:11 AM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Exactly, and Hedges knew just what he was doing |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. Since I sourced the article you allude to, thanks for sharing your views |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
5. Religion did not create morality. It co-opted it. |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Co-opted then corrupted it. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. That's a really good point. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Acculturation rather than co-opting |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
8. We'd be unloading "Manifest Destiny" and "Man's Dominion Over Nature" . . . |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
10. He's mesmerized by false dichotomies. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
13. Hedges often makes me want to scream but I do agree with him |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
14. Most of all, we need male-supremacist notions to "fizzle" . . . !! |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
18. It is curious that you, David, will walk along with Chris only as long as he |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
35. It is curious that you posted this at all. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I learned the practical politics I know from a group of grassroots organizers who |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. And your post was worthless, |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:50 AM Response to Reply #36 |
56. I agree that for grass-roots politics with definite aims in mind, focusing on immediate goals is ... |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
63. You come to a political discussion forum for serious work? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Have you ever played the question game from Stoppard's "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead"? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. That reminds me of something from yesterday. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Not a question: two points against you. Would you like to read the play before continuing? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Did you think that I was playing along? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. How did "Do you post here for a school project?" contribute to productive discussion? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Where in this trainwreck of a subthread was productive discussion attempted? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:52 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Context matters. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. When I masturbate, I usually do it in private n/t |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I was wondering how to work that joke in there. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:29 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Well, I felt like it needed to be said |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
21. Body, Mind and Spirit. |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 03:39 AM Response to Reply #21 |
50. Enjoyed your post a great deal. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
68. That sounds very similar to the God-shaped Hole argument. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
57. I disagree with your reading of Hedges. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
60. You don't get to choose. |
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