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Thu Sep-30-10 04:01 PM
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I just read The God Delusion |
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if I wasn't already an atheist, I would be one now. Dawkins has a great gift for making the arguments against God and religion simple and cogent. While dismantling most (if not all) the arguments in favor of these. I also found that he already answered many of the arguments that were put out after the book to refute it.
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Thu Sep-30-10 04:05 PM
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This book is in my stack.
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Thu Sep-30-10 04:15 PM
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2. Definitely one of my favorite books. |
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Full of head-slapping, gee-that's-obvious-once-you-think-about-it material.
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Thu Sep-30-10 04:15 PM
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I have taken one of those journeys to atheism that is probably fairly common. Dawkins was kind of the final nail in the coffin.
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Thu Sep-30-10 04:16 PM
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4. He was at the begining for me |
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with 'The Blind Watchmaker"
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Thu Sep-30-10 04:38 PM
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5. So,if there is no God or master spirit, does the book |
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also contend that the we are all one theory is bunk as well? Just curious. I am not leaning one way or the other. I do not believe in organized religion, but do firmly believe in a higher master spirit of some kind, even if it's really cosmic debris as the source.
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Thu Sep-30-10 05:43 PM
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8. I'm not sure what your asking |
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but he basically is saying all religion, God and higher power ideas are unfounded, unwarranted and usually harmful.
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Thu Sep-30-10 10:34 PM
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12. If memory serves, I don't think he addresses pantheism or panentheism |
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Edited on Thu Sep-30-10 10:56 PM by BurtWorm
or whatever you want to call it. I'm pretty sure, however, that he would put it on par with straight theism, which he rejects for being impossible to prove or even gather evidence for.
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Thu Sep-30-10 04:59 PM
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6. Finished it last week... |
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then got it on CD and listen to my favorite parts when I need some sanity!
It's a fantastic read!
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Thu Sep-30-10 05:00 PM
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7. You should alse read The Varieties of Scientific Experience: A Personal View of the Search for God |
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Edited on Thu Sep-30-10 05:00 PM by cleanhippie
By Carl Sagan. Mind blowing!
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Thu Sep-30-10 10:16 PM
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11. On my e-reader, can't wait for school to be done so I can read it. nt |
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Fri Oct-01-10 08:16 AM
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what you think when you are finished?
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Fri Oct-01-10 06:00 PM
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20. You can count on that. |
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Thu Sep-30-10 07:47 PM
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9. He came to town some years back |
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ABSOLUTELY loved his talk!
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Thu Sep-30-10 09:59 PM
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10. A good one to follow God Delusion |
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Fri Oct-01-10 08:17 AM
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14. +1. Reading that one right now. |
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Well, not right this second, but you know what I mean.
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Fri Oct-01-10 03:30 PM
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16. Carl's Baloney Detection Kit |
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Fri Oct-01-10 04:26 PM
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17. Dude. thats the part I finished this morning... |
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Are you on my wavelength, or what?
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i may have to start my friday 420 at 345!
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Sat Oct-02-10 10:06 PM
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23. Every child in America should be taught that in the first grade. n/t |
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Sat Oct-02-10 10:05 PM
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22. That has to be my all-time favorite book. |
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It started my lifelong love affair with science. His defense of science is forceful and elegant - he makes the case that science is not just "another point of view," and that it really is superior to all the other paradigms because of its built in error-correcting machinery. He also compares superstitions new and old; there are some striking similarities between the modern phenomenon of alien visitation and the older phenomena of molestation of demons or fairies.
Consider - when visited by fairies you would be: come upon while you slept; paralyzed; dazzled by strange lights; taken to a strange, unfamiliar place; made to dance (this might take the place of being made to perform strange tasks during scientific observation.) This is all remarkably similar to what is reported by "abductees." Consider further that demons - the incubi and succubi - would collect semen from men and use it to impregnate women - which is quite strikingly like the sexual experiments performed by our otherworldly visitors. (Sagan also notes that when nuns were raped by demons, the incubus would often take the form of the convent's bishop or priest-confessor. Celibacy was for suckers even back then.)
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Fri Oct-01-10 02:44 PM
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15. You should read some of his sociobiology texts |
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Like the Blind Watchmaker or the Selfish Gene...they go along well in supporting his theories from the God Delusion. I do not agree 100% with some of his theories but they are very well argued for and I think it makes a nice basis for understanding why he says what he does in the God Delusion. A lot of people think he's a simple god and religion hater, but he has some VERY sound science supporting him and I think if some believers want to argue about how wrong he is, they would do well to consider his other books here.
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Sat Oct-02-10 09:44 PM
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21. I think it is the weakest of Dawkins's works that I have read. |
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Dawkins is my favorite writer, but I like his science better. He's got a pretty decent grasp on religion, and I can't think of any argument of his that I've ever found unconvincing - I really like his "Ultimate Boeing 747" argument. But his relish for science is really refreshing. Whenever I pick up one of his books, his writing is like an old friend.
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