Goyim have no place in the world - only to serve the People of Israel

[LiberalArkie]

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/adl-slams-shas-spiritual-leader-for-saying-non-jews-were-born-to-serve-jews-1.320235


ADL slams Shas spiritual leader for saying non-Jews 'were born to serve Jews'
Rabbi Ovadia Yosef says in Saturday sermon that 'Goyim have no place in the world - only to serve the People of Israel'; ADL chief calls Yosef's words 'hateful' and 'divisive'. The Anti-Defamation League on Tuesday condemned comments about non-Jews made this past weekend by Shas spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef.

In a sermon given on Saturday on laws concerning what non-Jews are permitted to do on Shabbat, Yosef said: "Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel."

"Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat."

According to Yosef, death has "no dominion" over non-Jews in Israel.

"With gentiles, it will be like any person - they need to die, but will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant... That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Oy, I hate fundies, don't care what day if the week

They pray.

[KittyWampus]

2. Crazy Fundies come in all shapes, sizes and flavors.

[no_hypocrisy]

3. Pretty sure that's not in the Torah or the Talmud.

WTF?

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Actually you could interpret the laws in

Leviticus regarding strangers and slave that way. It would be somewhat of a stretch, but has that ever stopped fundies?

Yes I can thump with the best of them.

[Sensible321]

13. Torah, No. Talmud, Yes

If I am wrong, someone who is a scholar please let me know. The excerpts I've seen seem to be about as hateful and racist as religion (often) gets - but I am no scholar in this topic. Is it true that the Talmud is considered of a higher rank / order than the Torah? I know some sects do not follow it (Karaites and Ethiopians), but are they accepted 'into the fold' of Judaism proper?

[fascisthunter]

4. Fundies of All Stripes are very Intolerant to Others

[stray cat]

6. and thats independent of whether its religious, political, anything

rigidity and bigotry should never be a progressive value

[whatchamacallit]

5. Marx got this shit right. n/t

[Mosby]

7. This has already been posted on DU

It's in the I/P forum.

[Warpy]

9. A fundy is a fundy is a fundy

and it doesn't matter which god or gods he's ordering around.

They all suck warthog balls.

[leveymg]

10. Sadly, this is not a marginal figure or an insignificant party in Israel.

Shas is a major political party in the Israeli Knesset and is key to the Likud party-led majority. Following the 2009 elections in which Shas won 11 seats, it joined Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition government and holds four cabinet posts. Its current leader, Eli Yishai, is one of four Deputy Prime Ministers, and Minister of Internal Affairs.

The party was formed under the leadership of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef (a former Israeli Chief rabbi), who remains its spiritual leader today. See, http://wapedia.mobi/en/Shas

This is not unrepresentative of the views of much of the Israeli Right-wing that now holds power.

[Sensible321]

12. There was a time when the KKK ...

... had similar power in the USA. When that was no longer culturally acceptable, a 'lighter' version of viewpoint, utilizing "code words", was implemented for Nixon's Southern Strategy and Reagan's "welfare queen" lies.

We are still putting out the smoldering fires of racism in our nation today - decades after no leader could even remotely associate with bigots like Rabbi Yosef and hope to be elected to dog-catcher.

To think that Israel has not even reached the point where their leaders need to use "code words" for these sentiments shows how far they have to go - and why we should withdraw our foreign aid until Israel, at the very least, moves steadfastly in the direction of tolerance and peace.

[onager]

14. Thanks for that explanation.

I knew the ultra-Orthodox had some political bargaining power due to Israel's system, but wasn't quite sure how it worked.

[Odin2005]

11. Ugh. What an asshole!

[Petrushka]

15. Oy veh!

[struggle4progress]

16. It's kinda like many Americans' view of the rest of the world

"Those sandrats are only there to help us get the oil"
"Mezkins exist so I can have a maid"
"The purpose of the Chinese is to make computer stuff for us"

[trotsky]

17. Look, it's s4p making excuses for religious extremists again.

If someone paid for that, you could have quite the career. Defending Pope Ratz, defending this guy. Good thing they've got you on their side!

[struggle4progress]

18. How are you today, Trots?

[trotsky]

19. I'm great!

But then I'm not the one who jumps in to defend a whackjob religious nut every chance I get.

[TZ]

20. I have BIGOTS like this in my family

And while I do think many Americans are too narrow minded...this is outright bigotry - people like this also talk about Arabs being no better than animals-- I KNOW I AM JEWISH AND HEARD FAMILY MEMBERS SAY BOTH. Its every bad as hateful as the anti-semites. Racism is racism and to find you defending this bullshit is nauseating! I'm related to hateful nuts like this and I wont excuse it.
Ugh. You are a classic example of the apologist. If you had lived in Germany in the 30's I'm sure you would have gone around telling everyone that the Nazi's only wanted to make the economy better...:puke:

[struggle4progress]

21. Maybe you should need a reading comprehension class. It is my view that the term "religion"

can cover a great deal more than most people in this forum usually mean by the term: I have on a number of occasions here pointed out, in various ways, that "American exceptionalism" seems to me a "religion," and I similarly regard the very common human self-centered focus on "I me mine" as a sort of religion

My point is not that the ethnocentrism discussed in the OP is acceptable: my point is merely that it is widespread. Perhaps the example in the OP is better regarded, as a case of someone starting from an "I me mine" focus (like many people do) and then justifying that focus using whatever conceptual scheme seems most natural and convenient (in this case, the speaker's religion), than as a case of religion necessarily leading to that view

It is true that I am interested in the Nazi era, but not in the way or for the reasons you imply: currently, my interests there run along the lines of trying to understand the political culture in the period before the Nazi seizure of power -- that is, the effects (say) of Bismarck's Kulturkampf on Catholic views of the state and patriotism or the impact (say) of the failed 1918 revolution

I understand that you do not like the fact that I am sometimes sympathetic to religious views; to me, it sometimes seems you have no ability for much beyond rather crude and asinine accusations about the subject. Should you ever develop an interest in the subject of Judaism in Germany, I'd recommend an excellent little book I've just finished reading this week:

The Pity of It All
A Portrait of the German-Jewish Epoch 1743-1933
by Amos Elon
Picador: New York: 2002

which begins with the entry of Moses Mendelsohn into Berlin and concludes with the flight of Hannah Arendt from Berlin

[trotsky]

22. No, it's not that you're "sympathetic to religious views."

It's that you appear to be sympathetic to *extremist* views. You do this consistently and forcefully - hopping into any thread talking about a religious nutbag to either launch an outright defense or try to dismiss the issue with a "well, other people do it too." Even though your comparison falls woefully short.

[struggle4progress]

24. How are you, today, Trots?

:rofl:

[trotsky]

28. Like I said, *I'm* fine.

But where's your condemnation of what this rabbi said? Or do you agree with him?

[struggle4progress]

31. The ADL seems to me to have responded appropriately

[trotsky]

32. Well that was like pulling teeth.

Even though you still won't personally commit to a stance against such religious bigotry.

[struggle4progress]

33. Upthread, TZ's accusing me of being a closet Nazi; and here, you're accusing me of having

a closet agenda for Jewish world-domination

I think maybe you both need other hobbies

[trotsky]

34. Neither of us accused you of anything other than being an apologist...

for some rather disturbing religious views. Talk about needing another hobby.

[darkstar3]

25. Notice how he doesn't disagree.

The word you're looking for, trotsky, is "concern troll".

[struggle4progress]

26. Maybe you, too, should get help to improve your reading ability

:hi:

[darkstar3]

27. This coming from the man who should have used "also" and a period.

My reading capacity is more than sufficient for me to be able to identify a concern troll when I see one.

[struggle4progress]

30. Yep, using periods is against my religion!

Next, I'll be starting a national group to attack politicians who won't help stamp out the scourge of commas!

:rofl:

[trotsky]

29. Of course he doesn't.

But he can't deny what's saved in threads throughout this forum. Religious extremists have at least one staunch defender at DU.

[Iggo]

23. Mad props to the ADL.

:applause: