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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:49 PM Original message |
Atheism is a belief based on religious faith |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. Atheism is not a belief. It's a lack of a religious belief. nt |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. 100% false according to dictionary.com |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. ...by those with a vested interest in tearing atheism down as a position. |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #27 |
77. I have noticed that too |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
32. It's wrong. My lack of belief does not create a belief, just like my lack of money does not create |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. Dear Lord... |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. only a thumper could have written this drival.........nt |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. Owwww! |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
5. Two kinds of atheism: |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Strongly disagree. |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. The entymology of the word is one thing. The common-use definition is another. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. And that trend is one of the most disgusting in the English language, |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Hehe. That "trend" is THE reality of ALL languages, and always has been, |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:32 PM Original message |
There is some truth to that, |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
18. Shakespeare complained about language being misused too. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. That is no defense at all for the abuse of language. |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Like taking two opposite words and applying them to the same meaning. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. You missed the point of contradictory meanings entirely. |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. "Explain to me how it makes sense for one word to have two diametrically opposed meanings." |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. See #38, |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. Chaucer would love our evolution of the language |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. You're very probably correct! nt |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. And I am attempting to correct you on your useage of the word in that way. |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. "Just because a word has been misused, even widely, does not mean one must accept that use of it." |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. "Every word in English means exactly what it is widely accepted to mean" |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. HEHE. Boy! We're really getting into it now! This is so much fun! |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Language of any kind is imprecise, |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. well... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. So are you a prescriptivist or a descriptivist? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #41 |
59. My specialty coaching college debate was topicality |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Both widely accepted by WHO? |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Yes, I see the difference. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 07:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. Nice push poll. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
62. And you have a star now |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. By starting off with a false equivalency, you decrease your credibility. |
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KaoriMitsubishi (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
79. Dictionary definitions and pedantry aside... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 02:12 AM Response to Reply #9 |
80. What other groups are defined by what they aren't, rather than by what they are? |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Ive found the following definitions for "atheist" |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I see all three of those as essentially the same. |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. welcome to R/T forums big debate :) |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Thats great! |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. yup |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. Correct. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
36. Absolutely. Do Literature teachers need to use common definitions of tragedy and comedy? |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. "Technical" vocabulary is different from common vocabulary. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Poor defense. |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. You're right. We MUST change the world if we are to be correct. ;-) |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I'll pass. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Head over to the Guns forum |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
78. Yep. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. BTW, |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. I know a lot of atheists (myself included) |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. You don't. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. That's either complete crap or a misuse of the term believe. |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. By your definition of your own atheism... |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. Nice try. |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
6. It's no snarkier than we atheists are |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. This LTE is not snark at all, it's ignorance. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
25. That is really, really sad. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
42. Otoh, atheism is meaningless in the absence of theism. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. And there it is. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. I always ponder my sentences. Perhaps you should read it again. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. Atheism is the null hypothesis. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. You assume theism is a hypothesis. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. How is it not? n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. How is a belief a hypothesis? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Saying that there is a god is a hypothesis. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. No it isn't. It's an expression of belief. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Or theism only has meaning in relation to the null hypothesis. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Not really since, as you say, current atheism is a response to theism. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I don't remember saying that at all. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. I'm distinguuishing, not confusing. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:32 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I don't think you understand what a null hypothesis is, then, |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I do and I rejected it earlier as inapplicable. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Not understanding and not agreeing with the interpretation |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:48 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Naturally. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Ah, |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Yep, I was with you. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
44. oops. posted wrong place. delete |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
54. STRAWMAN: He died for your fallacies! |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. You're welcome! |
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