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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:11 PM
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"Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays"
My father writes a column for a local paper. He is a retired minister who has devoted his life to progressive activism and social justice. At 80, he remains very politically active.

“MERRY CHRISTMAS” OR “HAPPY HOLIDAYS” (12/15)
Again this year there is a hoo-ha over whether it is proper to greet each other with “Merry Christmas,” or “Happy Holidays.” A handful of conservative commentators, led by Bill O’Reilly, have for years made a federal case out of the controversy. They claim that the “happy holidays” designation is just another evidence that the good old Christian USA is forsaking its religious roots, and that there are those seeking to turn the nation into a godless secular society.

Some religious types continue to lament what they believe to be the kidnapping of Jesus’ birth by commercial interests. I once worked for a very pious caterer who thundered about “Satan Clause.” The month of December has become the most important mercantile season. Merchants must make it big during these weeks, or the entire commercial year might go down as a disaster. If religious themes can be used to perk up sales, that’s well and good.

Meanwhile the churches increasingly seem to limp along in second place, trying to hold on to what they believe to be the Christian derivation of the days. Jews have linked one of their traditions onto the festive season by popularizing a minor festival called “Chanukah.” Africans have given us Kwanzaa, with its gift giving and colorful celebrations. Others we rudely and wrongly refer to as “pagans” talk about the winter solstice as the occasion for all manner of celebrations, noting that December 25th marks the return of the sun. If anyone has the best historic claim on the season, the "pagans" probably have the inside track. Whenever Jesus was born, it was not late in December. Shepherds did not watch their flocks by night in the winter. Early Christians latched onto that date by borrowing its meaning from other more ancient religious traditions. The coming of Jesus was the sign of hope and light in a dark world.

So nobody has an exclusive claim. Why should any of us be offended when people out of non-Christian motives call out “Happy Holidays”? Why should a Jewish or Muslim merchant or even someone with no religious motivation, be required to go about mouthing “Merry Christmas”? Let that appellation be used by those for whom it makes religious sense, and not worry because others simply see the season as a secular occasion.

The festive days are the common property of a number of cultural entities, some religious and some secular. While I do fret a bit about the hard core commercialism which surrounds these weeks, I love the secular music as well as the carols, the lovely displays in department store windows as well as the crèches on church lawns, the “Ho, Ho, Ho" of that jolly old elf as well as the gifts given in memory of the babe of Bethlehem.

Whether one is Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu or none of the above, there can be something beautiful and profound for all of us. Perhaps my favorite way to say it came from Scrooge’s nephew who countered the old grump’s putdown of the season as “humbug” with these words:

Humbug uncle? I have always thought of Christmas time, when it has come round -- apart from the veneration due to its sacred name and origin, if anything belonging to it can be apart from that -- as a good time: a kind, forgiving, charitable, pleasant time: the only time I know of, in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were fellow-passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on other journeys. And therefore, uncle, though it has never put a scrap of gold or silver in my pocket, I believe that it has done me good, and will do me good; and I say, God bless it!

So whether we say, “Merry Christmas, “ or “Happy Holidays,” perhaps we can all say with Tiny Tim, “God bless us, everyone.”

Charles Bayer
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:13 PM
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1. My thoughts are what ever works for you, but I always go with
Happy Rock Salt.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:14 PM
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2. A Happy Yule K&R for your father from this heathen.
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 08:42 AM
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29. Happy Yule to all heathens
Are you Asatru?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:15 PM
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3. I use Happy Holidays or hope you have a great break/holiday, etc.
I have a lot of friends with different faiths, no faith, etc...just makes it easier on me not to have to remember and to have a standard reply. :)
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:36 PM
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10. exactly
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:16 PM
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4. I prefer, "Io, Saturnalia!"
But I'm a traditionalist.

:evilgrin:
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:06 PM
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15. That would warm Sheldon's heart
;)
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:17 PM
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5. Tooting my own horn
Here's my take on it. Your father's is nicer than I am. :)

http://colddaypontooning.blogspot.com/2009/12/merry-christmas-you-douche.html

TlalocW
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:21 PM
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6. Jesus was Jewish
Be you Christian, Muslim or Jew, HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU.


Make a great tee shirt.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:24 PM
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7. Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, Merry Festivus,
a Glorious Kwanza--whatever makes your day. Best wishes to all (except Michael Vick, who can go straight to hell) :evilgrin:


Ok, I don't add that last bit. Just checking to see who is reading. ;)
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Still Blue in PDX Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:00 PM
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20. I am reading. Merry Yule, and So Mote it Be!
Vick needs to go someplace very, very bad.

:thumbsup:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:11 PM
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22. ...
;)
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alterfurz Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:21 PM
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23. Happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:31 PM
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8. Roses are Red, Violets are Blue
If it wasn't for Jesus,
You'd be Jewish, too
:)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:36 PM
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9. i use both...your dad must be quite a guy.
when i was a kid my Methodist minister was a young guy who believed in social justice. he traveled to south american and came back with some rather negative thoughts on the catholic church and the treatment of the people by the governments. needless to say this was a shock to my young mind. last year he died at the age of 90 so i guess the lord was pleased with his work.

we need more guys and gals like your dad in the churches across america.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:54 PM
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11. I'm an atheist and either is fine with me.
I get a bit impatient at overt preaching, but could not give a toss whichterm for a syncretic day off anyone uses. The people who care, almost always Christmas champions, have some strange priorities given the very real and much more significant hegemony of religion in the political sphere. You can say Christmas to me all you want if you keep your mythology out of our shared laws,
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:27 PM
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17. +1000
As I said on another thread, I'm happy with any greeting; though I prefer if it's not the ubiquitous 'So are you *ready* for Christmas?'

I'm a total atheist, but I have no problem with people being of any religion. I do have a problem with people using religion to thrust right-wing politics down my throat, or try to impose religious views of morality into law. And yes, it does sometimes happen in England; though not as much as in America.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:16 PM
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12. This would solve the problem....
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:18 PM
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13. I go with Happy Holidays,
which I feel is a more inclusive term, unless I know what the individual's religious beliefs are, then use the term appropriate for them, but mostly I favor: Bah, Humbug!:evilgrin:
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:38 PM
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14. I'll compromise with "Merry Holidays!"
Or perhaps wordlessly toss pieces of fruitcake at people while grinning maniacally.
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SecularMotion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:41 PM
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16. The issue is a strawman
"Happy Holidays" doesn't replace "Merry Christmas".

"Happy Holidays" replaces "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" in the interest of brevity.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:54 PM
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18. I like Happy Holidays because it covers them all - why would I want to offend anyone over something
that is so easy to avoid?

Great column!
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 07:24 PM
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19. Anyone wishing me a happy, merry, or joyous anything is appreciated.
Kind wishes are always welcome.

--imm
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Still Blue in PDX Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:01 PM
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21. Right on. nt
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:33 PM
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24. ...
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:20 PM
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25. For crying out loud, "holiday" is derived from "holy day"!
There's no there there, fundamentalists.
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KaoriMitsubishi Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:23 PM
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26. This year I've been using...
Have a good one! :)
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:35 PM
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27. Happy Hanukkah
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 08:26 AM
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28. Doesn't matter a bit.
Christmas is a raging disaster for the Christian Church. It's been commercialized and institutionalized to the point that the Church has been pushed into the margins by the money changers. Now it's also becoming a poker chip in the game of culture wars, and we know who benefits most from those culture wars don't we Fox Viewers?

It's a fun day with the family, the kids really love it, but it really isn't anything more special than any other day.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 08:44 AM
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30. "perhaps we can all say with Tiny Tim, 'God bless us, everyone.'"
And to hell with those filthy atheists!
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 05:46 PM
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33. Oh, I would happily beat Tiny Tim to death with his own crutch.
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 05:48 PM by onager
After I've heard the little f@cker hork up "Gawd bless us..." for the 4,557th time, in the 2 millionth production of Xmas Carol. (Fun Fact I read somewhere - Dickens only wrote "CC" for the money and absolutely hated the thing. I've also read that Tchaikovsky only wrote the Nutcracker for money, and flatly refused to have it performed anywhere within his earshot.)

I'm currently in the Deep South, visiting relatives for Xmas. I'm trying to provoke the locals by always saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Xmas," but no one has taken the bait yet.

e.g., yesterday in a book store when I paid for my Skeptical Inquirer magazine. The clerk responded with "Happy Holidays," but since she was working in a book-store, she's probably a godless atheist intelekshual anyhow.

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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 07:27 PM
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34. We don't even HAVE bookstores where I live.
The nearest Barnes n Noble is 80 miles away, along with the nearest Target.
The nearest Costco is 150 miles either north or south.

We have lots of people with big six or eight foot tall CROSSES in their yards, with Christmas lights on them.

I want to ask somebody when they are gonna get an electric chair, or a Catherine Wheel or other implement of torture and put Christmas lights on it.

I personally celebrate a secular Christmas. No crosses and no nativity scenes.

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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 08:48 AM
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31. Holidays is plural
Even if you are a Bill O'Reilly or a Dave Wildmon, you celebrate multiple holidays. Look on your calendar. Christmas is followed by New Years. If I wish you Happy Holidays, it means Merry Christmas and Happy New Year together. If this offends you, then go fuck yourself on both days.
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 12:40 PM
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32. lol
Christmas is followed by New Years. If I wish you Happy Holidays, it means Merry Christmas and Happy New Year together. If this offends you, then go fuck yourself on both days.
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