I'm studying John 1 today and I found this passage interesting...

[Jeffersons Ghost]

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

[xchrom]

1. we see through the glass darkly. nt

[jody]

2. Is that a precursor to the Messianic Secret? n/t

[edhopper]

3. Why is that

at all interesting?

[Jeffersons Ghost]

4. I believe that scriptural quotes are like heaven...

We must attempt to seek answers behind blue skies to find out what trues power lies there. No one truly knows how it feels until they seek the deeper meanings hidden in the book.

[Angry Dragon]

6. Why make it so hard??

According to your Bible you have to start out believing in God the Father, the one that went around destroying everyone that did not worship him.
Then you have to believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God. According to the Bible one can not do that unless they are invited by the Holy Ghost.
After believing then to show that you believe you have to strive to live your life as Jesus would have lived his.

Not so hard to understand unless one believes in the mysteries of God. If that is the case then I would question how one could love something or someone that hid things from them. A loving relationship should be open and based on mysteries.

[ensho]

5. garble isn't interesting

nt

[northoftheborder]

7. The meaning I take from this quote is that we choose to NOT SEE what is plainly in front of us, ....

.....because we choose not to see.

[Boojatta]

8. "and the world knew him not"

If, as a child, Jesus already knew things that have not yet been discovered by science, then he could have carefully selected some knowledge to reveal to others. It wouldn't be surprising if a monument had been erected: "Child Prodigy Jesus was born here."

The above train of thought suggests that Jesus chose to prevent the world from knowing him. If it was a bad thing that the world "knew him not", and if it is necessary to assign blame, then it's not clear that the blame should be assigned to the world.

Of course, you might say that people were attached to dogmas and that Jesus had good reason to believe that if he astonished them with verifiable knowledge, then they would have reacted with dangerous hostility. In other words, he may have had good reason to refrain from disclosing his knowledge. However, various dogmas have been established in the name of Christianity, and it is difficult to see what would remain of Christianity if all elements of dogma were removed.

[AlecBGreen]

9. thats exactly what happened Boojatta

Of course, you might say that people were attached to dogmas and that Jesus had good reason to believe that if he astonished them with verifiable knowledge, then they would have reacted with dangerous hostility. In other words, he may have had good reason to refrain from disclosing his knowledge.

He performed miracles and people still did not believe. He healed the afflicted and raised the dead and people still did not believe. He fulfilled countless OT prophecies and still people did not believe. While many argue that this is not verifiable knowledge today (indeed some say he never existed in the first place) in my opinion these thing actually happened. In the end, he was met with more than dangerous hostility.

[dimbear]

11. People who study these things are vaguely in agreement..........

John is the last gospel to be written, the least historical, the most mystical, and the most concerned with making the new path attractive.

Probably dates around 90-120 CE.

A few try to place it earlier.

[ZombieHorde]

10. I think that line means the authors desires more converts.

"No really, he is real, people just don't believe in him."

[KaoriMitsubishi]

12. Can we ever truly know...

... a schizophrenic?

[moobu2]

13. Which version?