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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:35 AM
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Two-thirds of Britons not religious, suggests survey (BBC)
By John McManus
BBC News

Nearly two-thirds of people do not regard themselves as "religious", a new survey carried out to coincide with the 2011 Census suggests.

The British Humanist Association (BHA), which commissioned the poll, said people often identified themselves as religious for cultural reasons.

The online poll asked 1,900 adults in England and Wales a question which is on this month's census form.

The Office for National Statistics has defended the wording of the census.

While 61% of the poll's respondents said they did belong to a religion, 65% of those surveyed answered "no" to the further question: "Are you religious?"
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more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12799801
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:38 AM
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1. Other than
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 08:41 AM by dipsydoodle
the 390,000 or so Jedi according to the last census making it the fourth largest reported religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon

:)
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:39 PM
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3. Yeah, and the UK atheists hope that doesn't happen again
http://boingboing.net/2011/03/08/uk-census-smackdown.html

UK census smackdown: atheists decry Jedi!

Cory Doctorow at 6:27 AM Tuesday, Mar 8, 2011

The 10-year UK census came out today, and Britons are required to fill it in after March 27th. The census includes a voluntary question on religion, with a blank for writing in your faith if it's not listed. When I joked on Twitter that my family were going to list ourselves as Jedi, I was deluged with outraged responses from atheists asking me to tick the "no religion" box; this is part of a larger campaign to get people who tick "Christian" out of habit (though they have no faith) to switch to "no religion" as well, as some atheists believe that the number of religious people in the UK is misreported through a combination of habitual box-ticking and smart-alecky "Jedi" like me.

I'm convinced; we're atheists and we will list ourselves as such.



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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:25 PM
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11. Aw diddums!
:P

I'll be putting down "Jedi" again this weekend.

:-)
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:20 PM
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2. But...
Most people here do regard themselves as nominally Christian. What that means is that there's an awful lot of people who would choose to have their marriage or funeral in a church but aren't that much bothered about religion otherwise.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:43 PM
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4. There is the old joke...
that for many English people 'C of E' really means 'C and E'; i.e. church attendance only at Christmas and Easter.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:11 PM
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6. Yep, sounds about right :) n/t
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:34 PM
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5. Yup, Scotland is even MORE heathen...I'm convinced that I'm a cultural atheist.
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Bad Thoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 06:26 AM
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7. BHA is embracing this news?
I would think they would prefer the opposite: that people considered themselves religious but declined any institutional affiliations. At least it would put questions of humanism and belief on an intellectual level rather than political and sentimental.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:46 AM
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8. Their point is that this shows asking "what is your religion" shows the 'political and sentimental'
ties, rather than actual religious belief, and so is not a useful Census question because people use it to claim belief in Britain, especially Christian belief, is higher than it really is.

The BHA is not 'pro-religious'; it's humanist.
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Bad Thoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 11:00 AM
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9. You've misunderstood me
I know what humanism is. My point is that maintaining a religious affiliation shouldn't be encouraging for humanists. The NAACP wouldn't be encouraged by personal claims that people are not racists, even though they keep white hoods in their closets.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 03:25 PM
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10. OK, but they're not 'embracing' the news; they're saying it shows there's a problem
with how people describe themselves. Many people say they are 'Christian', but it turns out only half who say that actually believe Jesus existed, was resurrected, and was, in some sense, God - ie the normal definition of Christian. But the Census figures are used to make religion seem important, for instance:

When addressing the Bishops of the Church of England in September 2010, Chairwoman of the
Conservative Party and Government Minister Baroness Warsi stated that...
And right here in Britain, despite what many say, religion is certainly not going away.
Not only did up to eighty per cent of British people say that they had some kind of
religious belief in the last census but there is evidence to show that religious
attendance actually seems to be rising.

...the relationship between state, faith and society got out of kilter. We urgently need to
put that right – and that means starting by doing three things. First, we need to
understand the current state of faith in Britain. Second, we need a richer recognition of
the Anglican and wider faith-based contribution to society. And third, we need to draw
the right conclusions for policy, especially when it comes to voluntary action, social
cohesion and the Big Society.

...

The Foreword by Rt Hon Hazel Blears MP to the Labour Government’s ‘interfaith strategy’ begins:
According to the 2001 census, more than three quarters of us in the United Kingdom
consider ourselves to have a faith.

...
Second, using the Census data on religion in this way means that resources will be unfairly allocated to
the community – this strategy is accompanied by £7.5 million in funding from the Government. Not only
will those receiving funding and assistance be the tiny minority of the country who not only practice a
religion but consider themselves to be part of a ‘faith community’ (a figure of less than 10% rather than
the 80% suggested by the Government in the interfaith strategy), it will seriously disadvantage those
who are non-religious (under-counted in the Census) and those who have a vague cultural affiliation to a
religion but do not believe nor belong while, at the same time unfairly privileging the small minority of
the population who are actively religious.

http://www.humanism.org.uk/_uploads/documents/Howthecensusisused.pdf


They're not encouraged by people retaining a religious affiliation; they say the when people say they do have one, when they don't think of themselves as 'religious', it distorts the impression of the importance that religion actually has in Britain.
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