Why I don't believe in god (A respectful conversation on the many holes of modern religion)

[Dash87]

Of course, with all due respect to everybody who does. I think it's great that people are religious and do good things in the name of religion. If you are religious, then good for you. I'm not going to say that you're wrong, because there's no way I could possibly know that. However, I disagree completely. I'm not out to offend anybody. I'm going to talk about Christianity here, but I'm not purposely picking on Christians. I just grew up Christian, so that's the only real religion I have experience with.

However, my main problem with religion (and specifically Christianity) is that, when reading the bible, it's so human that's painful. What I mean by this is that you can tell the Bible (in my opinion) is nothing more than a collection of folk tales written by flawed humanity. For example:

- God is extremely human, and has many of the flaws humans do. He gets jealous, he kills (the flood story - he basically used a holy WMD to kill everybody but one man and one woman). There's many examples in the Bible of God acting like a human.

- Religious leaders throughout history, and right now, act like any other human. Christianity is basically a corporation, with the Pope being the CEO (sorry if this offends, once again it's my opinion). Religion and politics was always intertwined.

- Along with the concept that religion and politics are intertwined, the Bible has been hacked up over so many centuries that worshipping it now is pointless. People added their family names in there over time to make it look like they had some kind of important past. Other elements were also added or excluded for political reasons throughout history. So, when you're reading the Bible now, you're not reading 'what God said.' You're reading what a bunch of corrupt people added to it over time (Once again, no offense).

- There is also the issue with translation, and the lingo and slang of the time it was written. How can we be sure the Bible is to be taken so literally?

- Many of the elements in the Bible appear in stories written before the Bible, such as floods.

- God is refered to as a human male. This is the most ridiculous portion, imo. I'm not sure if it's like that in the Bible, but it just shows a patriarchical hole in modern Christianity.

However, I find the concept of religion really interesting. I just don't believe in any of them, but I think religion can be good for a society. Any other athiests or agnostics that were raised Christian? I don't know too too much about the Bible, but I just see it like I see the story of Gilgamesh - a bunch of interesting tall tales that never happened.

If you're offended by this, sorry. I was hoping to see what people on here think about the many glaring holes in the modern religion. This is not intended to be a Christian-bashing fest. Let's be respectful and have a respectful conversation about modern religion (or not if this is lock-worthy). :)

[Buzz Clik]

1. It seems your problem is with the Bible, not God.

We all have different taste in literature.

[Dash87]

3. It's the Bible I like, but taking it seriously to me is like taking any folk tale seriously

Once again, no offense to anyone here. Reading it like a story makes for a good story. Reading it for some guidance in life leads to a story full of holes and tall tales.

[Buzz Clik]

5. True.

Many believers would tell you that the Bible is metaphorical, not to be taken literally all the time. You don't have to believe in talking animals to understand what Aesop was trying to say.

[Goblinmonger]

27. But the religious stop at the metaphor including god.

THAT can't be a metaphor, according to many that hold that position. Once we step into metaphor land, there is very little to nothing that stops that metaphor from including there being a god.

[intaglio]

29. OK, which bits of the metaphor do you accept?

The metaphors about of a vindictive spiteful deity, found throughout the OT? Probably not.

The metaphors about a rabbi who taught about peace and love by inciting his followers to abandon their wives and children or to buy swords? The possible rabbi who never condemned the OT but asked people to keep to its' laws?

Or do you just accept the pretty bits like the Beatitudes and the magic bits about healing? Do you like the idea that an all powerful, all knowing deity sent his son to be tortured until the life flew from the abused body?

Show me the metaphors that you support and I'll show you ideas first thought of by non-Christians sometimes centuries before your bible or ideas based on a vengeful deity with a hatred for "his" creation.

[Buzz Clik]

30. That's one helluva tangeant. It has nothing to do with my comments.

[intaglio]

32. Yes it does. You specified that

...many people accept the bible as metaphorical but my point is that if you are part of that group you have to decide what metaphors you accept. The bible is full of things that can be accepted as metaphor, the tale of Balaam and his Ass amongst them, but is the tale of the Exodus also metaphorical? If Exodus is metaphorical what does the slaughter of the first born mean, in that metaphor?

With the New Testament you are on very shaky ground, for every Christian denomination insists that the sacrifice upon the cross was really, not metaphorically, the sacrifice of the Son of God and arguing that Jesus was only "metaphorically" the son of God means you are not a Christian. If you insist upon the point then you need a new classification, say, small "c" christian, but then your metaphor of a person who stands for the son of God falls because of the actions and words attributed to that person and the deity of which he was, metaphorically, a part.

What I usually find is that people arguing for the metaphor are happy with the "nice" bits of the Bible and first amongst these are the Beatitudes. The trouble is that the Beatitudes are not original, they have been a part of many faiths. The Dead Sea Scrolls record them as an Essene teaching predating Jesus. It can even be argued that the earliest record of the Beatitudes were Buddhist.

[struggle4progress]

31. You might like Ernst Bloch's "Atheism in Christianity." Bloch was 20th century

German Marxist and atheist, who wrote "Atheism in Christianity" very late in his life. Bloch and his Polish third wife had some Jewish ancestry, hence fled Germany in the Nazi era, though they returned after the war.

Bloch seems to have liked the Bible very much, while simultaneously disliking the Church and disliking also the view that the Bible should simply be discarded as a collection of prescientific fairytales. As an atheist, of course, he does not read the text literally; and as a modernist, he cannot ignore the contradictions he finds in the text

The result is a very dense book: it reads almost like a series of notes to himself, that he might have developed into maybe a thousand short essays. The book oscillates between impossibly obscure, very insightful, and amazingly lyrical passages. Even the chapter and section headings are informative: "Prometheus a Myth Too" or "Christ's Secret Name is Son of Man, Not Son of God"

I have found the book worthwhile though very slow-going. I certainly do not understand every word he writes, and his constant changes of direction are exhausting. But I also find it extremely informative

The Pastors paid willing homage to the power which had crucified the first Christian heretic -- it was, after all, often their own power. But to the poor and the exploited and the deprived they preached patient tolerance not force ... "They deck out the altars and the poor suffer bitter hunger" -- Amos' words have always been relevant, and generally in vain ... Marx said: "To be radical is to grasp things at their roots. But the root of all (viz. social) things is man." The first letter of John (3:2) also takes man as the root: "It does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure." ... If these two tests had ever come face to face, the encounter would have shed a searching utopian light on the problem of universal alienation and its possible cure ... It would be a strange meeting -- but, then, why not?

[Taverner]

4. Bible/God same difference

If you ditch the Bible, when what forms your idea of God?

Nature? What a sick God then

All of us? Yeah, that's not schizophrenic

The good in all of us? That makes absolutely no sense

I jettisoned the idea of God a few years ago, right after 9/11 actually

9/11 Showed that taking the side of "God" (which is just a figment of ones imagination, based upon a father figure or group of father figures in real life) is dangerous. It creates an existential dillemma where one's personal "truth" outweighs the collective truth, leading to murder, rape, etc

[Dash87]

You could actually argue that 9/11 wasn't about religion at all.

(Wait what!?!?) you yell.

Well, nowhere in the Koran does it say kill yourself and everybody around you. The Koran is a book of love and peace (and a folk tale, just like the Bible). The violent parts in the Koran and Bible are there because the time they were written in was very violent. That's why, imo, they shouldn't be taken literally for modern guidance. They're both so culturally influenced, it's obvious.

However, the Koran has been used for political reasons, just like the Bible has. That's why I don't blame a particular religion for anything.

[Taverner]

8. "The Koran is a book of love and peace" WTF????

Have you ever even read the Koran?

Here's a good place to start: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/

Here's a little sample:

Those who purchase disbelief at the price of faith harm Allah not at all, but theirs will be a painful doom.--3:177


1. "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray."
Muslims generally interpret "those whom Allah has favored," "those who earn Allah's anger," and "those who go astray" as Muslims, Jews, and Christians, respectively. 1:6-7

2. Don't bother warning the disbelievers. Allah has made it impossible for them to believe so that he can torture them forever after they die. 2:6-7

3. Allah has sickened the hearts of disbelievers and increased their disease. He is a spiritual anti-doctor. 2:10

4. Allah has blinded the disbelievers. "Allah taketh away their light and leaveth them in darkness, where they cannot see, Deaf, dumb and blind." 2:17-18

5. If you try to compose a surah that is better than those in the Quran, and then fail, Allah will burn you forever if you in the fire that he has prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24 <

6. They who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein." 2:39

7. Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61

8. Allah turned Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes to be despised and hated. All modern Jews are descendants of apes (or all modern apes are descendants of Sabbath-breaking Jews). 2:65-66

9. Christians and Jews (who believe in only part of the Scripture), will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85

10. "Allah has cursed them for their unbelief."
Because I disbelieve in his bullshit, Allah has cursed me, along with nearly six billion other non-Muslims. 2:88

11. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89

12. "They have incurred anger upon anger. For disbelievers is a shameful doom." 90

13. Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But even that "would by no means remove the doom." 2:96

14. Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98

15. Allah has revealed "clear tokens." Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99

16. "For disbelievers is a painful doom." 2:104

17. Don't question anything Muhammed says or choose disbelief over faith. 2:108

18. The Jews and Christians know damn well that the Muslims are right, so they try to make Muslims disbelievers because they envy the truth that they know the Muslims have. 2:109

19. "But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them on the Day of Resurrection." 2:212

20. Allah will make disbelievers' lives miserable in this world and torture them forever after they die. 2:114

21. "And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire." (They are the non-muslims.) 2:119

22. Disbelievers are losers. 2:121

23. Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126

24. "Who forsaketh the religion of Abraham save him who befooleth himself?"
Cited in the Hamas Charter (Article 27) to condemn the idea of a secular state. 2:130

25. Allah will curse those who "hide the proofs and the guidance" that he revealed. But how can you hide things that don't exist? There are no proofs anywhere in the Quran and whatever guidance is there is almost always bad. 2:159

26. Those who disbelieve in the Quran, for whatever reason, are cursed by Allah, the angels, and men combined. So every good Muslim must join Allah and the angels in cursing nonbelievers. 2:161

27. The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162

28. "Those who disbelieve Deaf, dumb, blind, therefore they have no sense." 2:171

29. Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174

30. How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175

31. If someone murders your slave, then you get to kill one of his. If it was a male that was killed, you kill one of the killer's male slaves. If a female, you kill a female. Murder for murder. Slave for slave. It all works out swell with Allah's wondrous rules. (Oh, and if you don't follow them, you'll have the usual painful doom.) 2:178

32. Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

33. Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a

34. But if there are any wrong-doers around after you've killed off all the disbelievers, persecutors and aggressors, then you'll have to kill them too. 2:193b

35. Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206

36. "But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them on the Day of Resurrection." 2:212

37. War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216

38. It's you and your religion against them and theirs. They won't stop fighting until they make you a "renegade from your religion" and if they succeed in that so you die in disbelief, Allah will burn you forever in the Fire. 2:217

39. Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221

40. "The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers." 2:254

41. Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257

42. Allah does not guide disbelievers. 2:264

43. "Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 2:286

44. Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4

45. Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10

46. Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12

47. Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19

48. "If they surrender, then truly they are rightly guided, and if they turn away, then it is thy duty only to convey the message."
(The message for those who won't surrender is "you're going to hell.") 3:20

49. Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21

50. "They say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion." (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24

51. Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28

52. Allah loveth not the disbelievers. 3:32

53. Allah will punish disbelievers in this world and the next. They will have no helpers. 3:56

54. Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73

55. "Allah will neither speak to them nor look upon them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He make them grow. Theirs will be a painful doom." 3:77

56. All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85

57. Apostates will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:86-88

58. Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91

59. Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6

60. Why does Allah like Muslims so much? Because they are the best people on earth, they behave themselves, forbid indecency, and believe in Allah. Allah loves people who believe in him. (Most Non-muslims are "evil-livers.") 3:110

61. Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116

62. Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118

63. The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131

64. Give us victory over the disbelieving folk. 3:147

65. Do not obey disbelievers. 3:149

66. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151

67. "Is one who followeth the pleasure of Allah as one who hath earned condemnation from Allah, whose habitation is the Fire?"
Unbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 3:162

68. Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176

69. Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177

70. Disbelievers will have a shameful doom. 3:178

71. Disbelievers will go to Hell. 3:196

72. Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 4:14

73. For the disbelievers and those who make a last-minute conversion, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:18

74. For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 4:37

75. Those who ...believe not in Allah nor the Last Day" will face a shameful doom. 4:38

76. "Allah knoweth best (who are) your enemies." 4:45

77. "Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not." 4:46

78. Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47

79. Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have "invented a tremendous sin." 4:48, 4:116

80. Allah curses those that invent lies about him, believe in idols and false deities, claim to be more rightly guided, or whatnot (like the Christians and Jews). 4:50-52

81. Apostates are going to hell. 4:55

82. Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56

83. Oppose those that refuse to obey. 4:60-63

84. The hypocrites refuse to die for Allah and Muhammad. 4:66

85. Those who obey Allah and Muhammad are favored by Allah. They are the best company. 4:69

86. Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74

87. Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76

88. "Whoso obeyeth the messenger hath obeyed Allah, and whoso turneth away: We have not sent thee as a warder over them." 4:80

89. "So fight (O Muhammad) in the way of Allah ... Allah will restrain the might of those who disbelieve."
So fight for Allah. Allah will always rig the battle so that Muslims will defeat non-Muslims. 4:84

90. Allah casts the hypocrites back to disbelief. Don't try to guide those that Allah sends astray. 4:88

91. Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

92. If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91

93. Believers shouldn't kill believers, unless by mistake. If you kill a believer by mistake, you must set free a believing slave. 4:92

94. Believers who kill believers will go to hell. 4:93

95. After non-Muslims die, they will make excuses for their unbelief -- like saying that they were oppressed. Then the angels will ask them, "Why didn't you move to another country?" But the angels won't wait for an answer. They'll just take them all to hell. 4:97

96. The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101

97. For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a shameful punishment. 4:102

98. Relent not in pursuit of the enemy. They have no hope from Allah. 4:104

99. "Plead not on behalf of (people) who deceive themselves. Lo! Allah loveth not one who is treacherous and sinful." 4:107

100. Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 4:115

101. They (those who ascribe partners to Allah) invoke in his stead only females and pray to Satan. 4:117

102. Allah will lead them astray, arouse desires in them, and they will go to hell. 4:119-121

103. Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 4:137

104. For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 4:138

105. Stay away from nonbelievers who mock your beliefs or Allah will treat you like them. (He'll torture you forever in hell after you die.) 4:140a

106. Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 4:140b

107. Allah will not allow disbelievers to succeed against believers. 4:141

108. Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144

109. The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 4:145

110. You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151

111. For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1

112. Allah will guide disbelievers down the road to hell. 4:167-169

113. Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5:5

114. Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 5:10

115. Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13

116. Allah has stirred up enmity and hatred among Christians. 5:14

117. Christians are disbelievers for believing in the divinity of Christ. 5:17

118. Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33

119. Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 5:36

120. Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 5:37

121. Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38

122. Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41

123. Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45

124. Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51

125. Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53

126. Allah could replace nonbelievers with believers who would love him and do whatever he says. 5:54

127. Your only friends should be Allah, Muhammad, and those who believe correctly (Muslims). 5:55

128. Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57

129. Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59

130. Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests. 5:63

131. Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64

132. Allah does not guide disbelievers. 5:67

133. The Jews rejected and killed Allah's prophets, since "they were wilfully blind and deaf." 5:70-71

134. Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72

135. Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73

136. Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80

137. Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 5:86

138. Allah will test believers to see if they are afraid. Those who fail a second test will suffer a a painful doom. 5:94

139. After agreeing to send down a table of food from heaven, Jesus warns his disciples that will catch holy hell if they ever stop believing. 5:115

140. Those who deny the truth of Islam will be punished by Allah. 6:5

141. "See the nature of the consequence for the rejecters!" 6:11

142. "Those who ruin their souls will not believe." 6:12, 20

143. Disbelievers will say when they see the Fire that they would have believed if they had known the truth. But they are all liars. 6:27-28

144. Allah will torment those how deny his revelations. 6:49

145. Stay away from those who "meddle with" or mock the Quran. 6:68

146. Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70

147. When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 6:93

148. Stay away from idolaters. 6:106

149. Allah confounds the hearts and eyes of unbelievers. 6:110

150. Most unbelievers are ignorant. 6:111

151. Allah allows some to disbelieve in the afterlife, and to take pleasure in their disbelief, so that he can torment them forever after they die. 6:113

152. The worst thing anyone can do is deny the revelations of Allah. Those who do so will be awared an evil doom. 6:157

153. Disbelievers lose their souls. 7:9

154. Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 7:27

155. Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 7:30

156. Only believers go to heaven. 7:32

157. Allah forbids beliefs that he hasn't revealed (i.e., all non-muslim beliefs). 7:33

158. Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 7:36

159. Disbelief is the greatest evil. 7:37

160. Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 7:40-41

161. Those in the fire will be taunted by those in the Garden. "So how's it going down there? Are you enjoying the warmth of the Fire?" 7:44

162. Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 7:50

163. Those who forget Allah will be forgotten (sent to hell) on Judgement Day. 7:51

164. Serve Allah or go to hell. 7:59

165. Allah drowned everyone on earth (except Noah and his family) because they disbelieved. 7:64

166. Disbelievers are liars. 7:66

167. Those who believe incorrectly will face the terror and wrath of Allah. 7:71

168. "We cut the root of those who denied Our revelations and were not believers." 7:72

169. Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:78

170. Allah killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah except Lot and his daughters.
7:83-84

171. "So the earthquake seized them."
Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:90-91

172. "Then We seized them unawares, when they perceived not."
Unbelievers are never safe from Allah's wrath. 7:95-99

173. "How can I sorrow for a people that rejected (truth)?"
Shu'eyb tells the Allah's victims that they deserved to die for rejecting Islam. 7:93

174. "We drowned them in the sea: because they denied Our revelations." 7:136

175. Allah will destroy non-muslim cultures. 7:138-9

176. "Those who deny Our revelations and the meeting of the Hereafter, their works are fruitless." 7:147

177. Those who worship the calf will suffer terror and humiliation from Allah. 7:152

178. "Those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful." 7:157

179. "But those of them who ... changed the word ... We sent down upon them wrath from heaven." 7:162

180. "When they forgot that whereof they had been reminded, We ... visited with dreadful punishment." 7:165

181. Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166

182. Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167

183. Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176

184. Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177

185. Stay away from those who blaspheme Allah's names. They will be punished for it. 7:180

186. Allah leads astray those who deny his revelations. 7:182-3

187. "Allah ... cut the root of the disbelievers."
Allah destroyed the unbelievers. 8:7

188. Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 8:12

189. Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 8:14

190. When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16

191. Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17

192. "The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense ." 8:22

193. Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35

194. Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 8:36

195. Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39

196. The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 8:50

197. The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 8:55

198. Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60

199. Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65

200. A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 8:67

201. Disbelievers cause confusion and "corruption in the land." 8:73

202. "Ye cannot escape Allah. Allah will confound the disbelievers." 9:2

203. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 9:3

204. Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5

205. Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.) 9:6

206. Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted. 9:7-9

207. Treat converts to Islam well. (Kill those who refuse to convert. See 9:5) 9:11

208. Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory. 9:12-14

209. Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 9:17

210. Don't make be friends with with your disbelieving family members. Those who do so are wrong-doers. 9:23

211. Allah punished those who disbelieved. 9:26

212. Only idolaters are unclean. Keep them away from your places of worship. 9:28

213. Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29

214. Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30

215. The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions. 9:33

216. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34

217. Allah does not guide the disbelievers. 9:37

218. Fight for Allah with your wealth and whatever weapons are available to you. 9:41

219. Those who refuse to fight for Allah (claiming they are unable) are liars who have destroyed their souls. 9:42

220. Disbelievers go to hell. 9:49

221. "Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands." 9:52

222. Pay your contribution willingly. Allah will not accept a contribution from disbelievers or idlers. 9:53

223. Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 9:60

224. Allah is only pleased by true believers. 9:62

225. Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 9:63

226. Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 9:68

227. Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73

228. Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 9:74

229. God will not forgive disbelievers, so don't ask. 9:80

230. Those who refuse to give their wealth and lives to Allah will face the fire of hell. 9:81-83

231. Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals. 9:84

232. Those who refuse to fight for Allah will be treated (along with their children) as unbelievers. 9:85

233. For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 9:90

234. Non-muslim who pretend to believe (so they won't be killed by Muslims) are unclean and will go to hell. 9:95

235. The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil fortune. 9:97-98

236. "We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom." 9:101

237. Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107

238. Those that ignore Allah will be thown into the fire of hell. 9:109

239. Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111

240. Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 9:113

241. Abraham disowned his father for being an enemy of Allah. 9:114

242. Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123

243. Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts. 9:125

244. Allah turns away those who misunderstand him. 9:127

245. Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 10:4

246. If you enjoy life and ignore Muhammad's bullshit, Allah will torture you forever in the Fire after you die. 10:7-8

247. Allah has destoyed entire generations. 10:13

248. Denying the revelations of Allah is the worst sin imaginable. 10:17

249. "Ignominy overtaketh them - They have no protector from Allah - as if their faces had been covered with a cloak of darkest night. Such are rightful owners of the Fire." 10:27

250. On the last day Allah will kill all the disbelievers (and then he will torture them forever in hell). 10:45

251. Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 10:70

252. Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 10:73

253. Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 10:88

254. If you deny the revelations of Allah, you will be among the losers and will "see the painful doom." 10:95-97

255. Disbelievers will end up in the Fire. 11:17

256. Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 11:18-19

257. Allah sent a lasting doom on those who mocked Noah. 11:39

258. Those who drowned in the flood were disbelievers. 11:42

259. Allah will send a painful doom on several nations. 11:48

260. Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 13:5

261. Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 13:14

262. Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 13:18

263. Allah leads disbelievers astry while he torments them in this life. Then afterh they die, he makes them uffer even more pain in the doom of the Hereafter. 13:33-34

264. The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 13:35

265. Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2

266. "Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom." 14:22

267. "They set up rivals to Allah that they may mislead (men) from His way. Say: Enjoy life (while ye may) for lo! your journey's end will be the Fire." 14:30

268. Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 15:2-3

269. "The disbelievers would not be tolerated." 15:8

270. Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 15:39-43

271. Those who don't believe in the Hereafter are proud. 16:22

272. Allah made a roof fall in to kill unbelievers. "And the doom came on them whence they knew not." 16:26

273. Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29

274. Disbelievers are liars. 16:39

275. Theirs will be the Fire, and they will be abandoned." 16:62

276. "Theirs will be a painful doom." 16:63

277. Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 16:88

278. Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 16:94

279. Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah's wrath is upon them. 16:106

280. Those who invent lies against Allah will have a painful doom. 16:116-7

281. Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 17:8

282. Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 17:10

283. Allah destroyed entire towns. 17:16

284. How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17:17

285. Allah intends to burn people in hell. 17:18

286. "Set not up with Allah any other god, lest thou be cast into hell." 17:39

287. Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 17:45-46

288. Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 17:97-98

289. "He maketh none to share in His government."
Democracy is heresy. Allah shares his government with no one. 18:26

290. Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 18:29

291. Christians will cry out to Allah's "partners", but they won't hear them; Allah will send them to their doom. 18:52

292. The worst wrong is to forget Allah's revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 18:57

293. On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 18:100

294. Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 18:102

295. The good works of disbelievers are all in vain. They will go to hell anyway. 18:104-105

296. Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 18:106

297. "Woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day."
Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37

298. Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 19:69-70

299. Allah will prolong the lives of non-believers so they can see their punishment, either in this world or in the Hour of doom. 19:75

300. Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 19:77-79

301. Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 19:83

302. Allah will "drive the guilty unto hell, a weary herd." 19:86

303. Lo! it hath been revealed unto us that the doom will be for him who denieth and turneth away." 20:48

304. Those who do not believe Allah's revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 20:127

305. Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 21:6

306. "And one of them who should say: Lo! I am a god beside Him, that one We should repay with hell." 21:29

307. Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 21:39-40

308. The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 21:97-99

309. Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 22:9

310. Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 22:15

311. Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 22:19-22

312. Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 22:25

313. Those who disregard Allah's revelations are the owners of the Fire. 22:51

314. "Those who disbelieve will not cease to be in doubt thereof until the Hour come upon them unawares, or there come unto them the doom of a disastrous day." 22:55

315. Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have a shameful doom. 22:57

316. Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will burn in the Fire. 22:72

317. Those who don't believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 23:74-77

318. Disbelievers will not be successful. 23:117

319. Those who traduce virtuous, believing women ... cursed are they in the world and the Hereafter. Theirs will be an awful doom." 24:23

320. Disbelievers are miscreants. 24:55

321. Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 24:57

322. The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger. 24:62

323. Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 25:11-13

324. It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 25:26-27

325. Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 25:36

326. Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 25:37

327. "They will know, when they behold the doom, who is more astray as to the road." 25:42

328. Don't obey disbelievers. But rather fight against them. 25:52

329. Those who cry out to another god with Allah will be tormented doubly in hell. 25:68-69

330. Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 26:201

331. Those who believe in another god are doomed. 26:213

332. Stay away from poets. The erring follow them. 26:224

333. Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 27:4-5

334. But he "saved those who believed." 27:53

335. Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 28:62-64

336. Never help disbelievers. 28:86

337. Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 29:23

338. "Ye have chosen only idols instead of Allah ... on the Day of Resurrection ye will deny each other and curse each other, and your abode will be the Fire, and ye will have no helpers." 29:25

339. Only wrong-doers deny the revelations of Allah. 29:49

340. Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah are the losers. 29:52

341. The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 29:53-55

342. The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. Hell is the home of disbelievers. 29:68

343. When the Hour comes, Christians will be divided into two groups: Those who believed Allah's revelations, and those who disbelieved in them. The believers will be happy in the Garden; the disbelievers will be brought to doom. 30:13-16

344. Allah does not love disbelievers. 30:45

345. Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 30:59

346. Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 31:6-7

347. Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 31:23-24

348. Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 32:13

349. Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 32:14

350. Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 32:20

351. The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 32:22

352. Don't obey disbelievers. 33:1

353. He hath prepared a painful doom for the unfaithful." 33:8

354. Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. 33:19

355. Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 33:25-26

356. Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 33:48

357. Those who malign Allah, Muhammad, and Muslims will be cursed by Allah in this life and with doom in the Hereafter. 33:57

358. Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 33:60-61

359. Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 33:64-65

360. The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 33:66-68

361. Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 34:5

362. "They are filled with remorse when they behold the doom; and We place carcans on the necks of those who disbelieved." 34:33

363. Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 34:8

364. Those who strive against Allah's revelations will be brought to the doom. 34:38

365. Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 34:45

366. Those who ignore Allah's messenger (Muhammed) will face a terrific doom. 34:46

367. Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 34:51-52

368. Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 35:7

369. Allah hates disbelievers. 35:26

370. Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 35:36-7

371. He who disbelieves, his disbelief be on his own head. 35:39

372. Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don't bother warning them. They will go to hell anyway. 36:8-10

373. Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 36:63-4

374. Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad's revelations will face a painful doom. 37:31-38

375. If you're not favored by Allah, you're doomed. 37:57

376. Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 37:82

377. Only the "single-minded slaves of Allah" will be saved from the doom. 37:127-8

378. Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 37:136

379. No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 37:162-3

380. Just wait a while and watch. The unbelievers will soon be destroyed in the doom. 37:176-9

381. Those who disbelieve are in false pride and schism. 38:2

382. Allah has destroyed many generations. 38:3

383. Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 38:8

384. Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 38:14

385. Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 38:26

386. Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 38:27

387. Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 39:8

388. Those who disobey Allah should fear his doom. 39:13

389. No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 39:19

390. Woe unto those who forget Allah. They are in plain error. 39:22

391. The doom will come upon those who deny what Allah has revealed. 39:25

392. Allah will make non-believers "taste humiliation in the life of the world" and " the doom of the Hereafter" which will be even worse. 39:26

393. The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 39:32

394. Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 39:54-55

395. Disbelievers had their chance to believe. They will all suffer in an endless doom. 39:56-59

396. Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 39:60

397. Losers are those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah. 39:63

398. Those ascribe a partner to Allah (like the Christians) will be among the losers. 39:65

399. Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 39:71-72

400. Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 40:6

401. Allah greatly abhors those who disbelieve. 40:10

402. Those who ignore Allah's "clear proofs" will be seized and punished severely. 40:22

403. Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire's torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 40:49-50

404. Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 40:56

405. Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 40:60

406. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 40:63

407. Those who deny the Scripture and Allah's messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 40:70-72

408. Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my parnters that you used to believe in? 40:73

409. Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 40:74

410. Those who scorn will go to hell. 40:76

411. When they see Allah's doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 40:84-85

412. Woe unto the idolaters who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 41:6

413. The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 41:19-20

414. Non-muslims will be tormented forever in the Fire. Allah will not have any mercy on them. 41:24

415. Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah's revelations. 41:27-28

416. "Lo! those who distort Our revelations are not hid from Us. Is he who is hurled into the Fire better?" 41:40

417. Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 41:50

418. In whatsoever ye differ, the verdict therein belongeth to Allah."
Disputes, whether religious or political, must be decided by Allah. Democracy is not an option. 42:10

419. Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 42:16

420. "And as for disbelievers, theirs will be an awful doom." 42:26

421. Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 42:44-46

422. Those who turn people away from Islam will "be sharers in the doom." 43:37-39

423. "But they will come to know."
Allah will torment disbelievers forever in hell. 43:88-89

424. Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 44:11-16

425. "He hath saved them from the doom of hell."
(Everyone else is going to hell.) 44:56

426. Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 45:7-8

427. Those who joke about Allah's revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be a shameful doom. 45:9-10

428. Those who disbelieve in Allah's revelations will have a awful doom of wrath. 45:11

429. Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 45:31

430. Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 46:20

431. Serve only Allah or face the doom of a tremendous day. 46:21

432. If you believe Muhammed, Allah will forgive some of your sins and protect you from the painful doom (that he plans to torture everyone else with). 46:31

433. Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: "Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved." 46:34

434. Allah makes the works of disbelievers vain. 47:1

435. Those who disbelieve follow falsehood. 47:3

436. Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 47:4

437. Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 47:8-9

438. Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 47:12

439. Those who turn away from Islam, and obey non-Muslims in some things, have been seduced by Satan. 47:25-26

440. Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 47:27

441. Allah will make the actions those who disbelieve fruitless. 47:32

442. Those who disbelieve will never be pardoned by Allah. 47:34-35

443. Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 48:6

444. Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 48:13

445. If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16

446. "Whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." 48:17

447. Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 48:25

448. Allah will "cause it to prevail over all religion." 48:28

449. Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 48:29

450. Allah will hurl those who believe in another god into a dreadful doom. 50:26

451. Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 51:10-14

452. "We left behind therein a portent for those who fear a painful doom." 51:37

453. Woe to the disbelievers. 51:60

454. Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 52:11-16

455. "Their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire."
(Everyone else is going to hell -- and the believers are all okay with that.) 52:18

456. Those who disbelieve are trapped. 52:42

457. Those who disbelieve in the afterlife give female names to angels. 53:27

458. Those who disbelieve in the afterlife are only guessing and have no real knowledge. 53:29

459. Stay away from non-Muslims, especially those who disbelieve in the afterlife. 53:29

460. Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot's folk, killing all but Lot's family. 54:34

461. The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 55:43-44

462. Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 56:51-54

463. Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 56:92-94

464. Those who disbelieve or doubt the revelations of Allah will be face the doom. 57:13-14

465. The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey's end. 57:15

466. Those who disbelieve and deny Allah's revelations are the owners of the fire. 57:19

467. For disbelievers is a painful doom. 58:4

468. For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 58:5

469. Those who disobey Muhammed will go to hell. 58:8

470. Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 58:14-15

471. Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 58:16-17

472. Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest. 58:20

473. On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters). 58:22

474. Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 59:2-3

475. "Whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it)."
Do whatever Muhammad tells you to do. (Or you'll go to hell.) 59:7

476. The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 59:11

477. The disbelievers fear the believers more than Allah. 59:13

478. The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 59:16-17

479. The owners of the Garden and the owners of the Fire are not equal. 59:20

480. Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 60:1

481. Don't be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 60:9

482. Don't be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's enemies. 60:13

483. The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. 61:7

484. Allah gave Muhammad the one true religion and sent him to conquer all other (false) religions. 61:9

485. "O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom?" 61:10

486. A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 62:5

487. Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing. 63:3

488. Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 63:4

489. Don't bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them. 63:6

490. "Might belongeth to Allah and to His messenger and to the believers." 63:8

491. Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 64:5

492. Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 64:10

493. Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 66:9

494. Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 67:6-7

495. Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 67:28

496. Refuse to obey the "rejecters" (Non-Muslims?) who seek compromise 68:8-9

497. Those who consider the Quran to be "mere fables" will be branded on the nose.68:15-16

498. "Shall We then treat those who have surrendered (Muslims) as We treat the guilty (Non-Muslims)?" 68:35

499. Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 69:30-35

500. Doom is about to fall on all disbelievers. Only worshippers (Muslims) and those who preserve their chastity (except with their wives and slave girls) will be spared from "the fires of hell" that are "eagar to roast." 70:1-30

501. "Lo! the doom of their Lord is that before which none can feel secure" (except for maybe those who are fearful of it). 70:27-28

502. Disbelievers will enter hell with frantic with fear, knowing they will be tortured forever by Allah. 70:36, 44

503. Allah sent Noah to warn people about the painful doom he was planning to send. (It didn't work out well; Allah sent it anyway.) 71:1

504. Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 71:26

505. The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 72:15-17

506. Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 72:23

507. Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 73:11-13

508. The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 74:9-10

509. Those who are stubborn to Allah's revelations will face a fearful doom. 74:16-17

510. Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 74:31

511. Those who pay attention to this life and ignore the Hereafter will suffer forever in hell. 75:20-29

512. Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 76:4

513. Don't obey disbelievers. 76:24

514. Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 77:19, 77:24, 77:28, 77:34, 77:40, 77:45, 77:49

515. Depart unto that doom which ye used to deny." 77:29

516. Those who deny the revelations given to Muhammed will burn forever in hell. 78:21-30

517. "Lo! We warn you of a doom at hand, a day whereon a man will look on that which his own hands have sent before, and the disbeliever will cry: 'Would that I were dust!'" 78:40

518. Those who rebel by choosing this life over the next will go to hell. 79:37-39

519. Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces. 80:40-42

520. Those who reject Allah's revelations will burn in hell. 83:10-17

521. The disbelievers used to laugh at the believers. But the final laugh will be on them. 83:29-36

522. Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 84:22-24

523. Those who persecute Muslims, without repenting, will burn in hell. 85:10

524. Allah plots against non-Muslims. 86:16

525. "Deal gently with them (non-Muslims) for a while. (How long is "a while"?) 86:17

526. Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 88:23-24

527. Allah poured the disaster of His punishment upon those who rebelled against him. 89:11-13

528. Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 90:19-20

529. Those who deny Allah's revelations must endure the flaming fire. 92:14-16

530. Allah created humans to be "of best stature" but then reduced them "to the lowest of the low". Except for "those who believe and do good works." But what about those who don't believe but do good works? Are they the "lowest of the low"? 95:4-6

531. Allah will grab those who deny His guidance by the forelock and call the guards of hell. 96:13-18

532. Those who disbelieve will abide in the fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. 98:6

533. Only religious people help orphans or those in need. 107:1-3

534. "I seek refuge ... from the evil of malignant witchcraft."
(Witchcraft is evil.) 113:4

[Dash87]

10. There are good and bad elements, just like the Bible.

However, also remember that this was at a time where wars and killing were all over the place.

I've never read more than a little bit fo the Koran, but it's not any more violent than most other religious books.

[Taverner]

12. They're both books that celebrate genocide, antisemitism, racism, murder, torture...

Sure, both say some nice things, but the 'good things' are in the minority. When those books were written, life was cheap and death was common. So those books reflected that world and mentality.

[Dash87]

13. I'm sure if you looked at the culture in which these books were written,

you would find that they are products of them.

That's one of the problems I mentioned above (I think). The two books we're talking about are very "human."

[Taverner]

15. Yep. We're in agreement

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. did you read those, or just cut n paste?

99.9 (I say without counting - I only read the first hundred or so) talk about what Allah will do with disbelievers - not what he instructs his followers to do.

There is a HUGE difference between "You are going to hell" and "I'm sending you to hell in the name of my god".

All that crap is no different from Old Testament bible verses talking about how god will punish the wicked - few demand that (unlike in Leviticus) the people wreak vengeance upon to wicked - they leave it in Allah's hands. Of course, fundies mis-read those verses as being instructions rather than commentary, just like christian fundies do.

That list does not list the citings of how "people of the Book" (i.e. Christians and Jews) are to be respected and honored. How women are to be honored and exalted. Not to mention, the traditional Islamic greeting of "Peace be upon you".

There is a difference between being an atheist and being a religion hater.

[Taverner]

25. I borrowed it from the Skeptic's Annotated Quran

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/


Check it out



My thing is I have no problem with Christians, Muslims, etc But I do have a BIG problem with Christianity, Islam, etc

[Buzz Clik]

7. A lot of highly intelligent, Christian people do not believe that the Bible was written by God.

If you believed in God prior to 9/11, was it the Bible that convinced that God existed, or did you have some notion of God before reading the Bible?

Believing in higher beings is part of the genetic code of a lot of people. They don't need an old book (or a new one) to convince them. Likewise, abandoning God in the aftermath is similarly typical.

[Taverner]

11. Before 9/11, I was on the fence about God

I thought there could be something, but nothing like the Bible's God

I knew that was all made up since I graduated from college

But I was of the mistaken belief that faith helps people makes them stronger, etc

Then 9/11 happened and religion's true face showed. Christianity and Islam are Death Cults, ghoulishly gloating not unlike "Rev" Phelps and his slime. Praying hard for the day when everyone dies, and they get to watch the unbelievers torture forever.

[speltwon]

21. The bible was written by men

And was thus prone to the prejudices, perception, biases etc of men. It was also censored by the powers that be (certain books excluded e.g. some of the stuff found at nag hammadi etc.)

I have no idea if God exists. I would expect nothing less than the bible being a reflection of the men who wrote it, whether inspired by an actual god or not.

I do know it is some of the best literature ever written, and one of the most referenced.

[Taverner]

2. The Bible shows God indeed as a male

It's always "he"

never "she" or "it"

-brought to you by a fellow nonbeliever who used to believe

[Dash87]

16. That is our modern Bible, however.

Our modern Bible has gone through centuries of whitewash in a patriarchical society. This is one of the huge problems I have with it. :)

[Taverner]

18. It's a book of stories, with no truth to any of them

And very little to gain.

Take the parable of the ten talents. WTF is that supposed to mean? Greed is good?

[trotsky]

6. The response to most all of your points is the same.

Every Christian picks the parts of the bible they like, and believes those, and simply rejects the parts they don't like. From MLK to Fred Phelps, this is always the same.

[Dash87]

9. That is an excellent point

And it shows how imperfect the Bible really is.

[Taverner]

14. Yep

And I feel sorry for an honorable man like Rep Keith Ellison, who trys so hard to show Islam as a religion of peace. But he's looking for a needle in a haystack (or rather a piece of hay in a needle stack) that might not even be there.

Now I would agree if you were to tell me many Muslims are men and women of peace, and many Christians are as well, but in those cases we are celebrating the human, rather than the ideology.

[Booster]

17. I've always wondered, if what's in the Bible were really true, why

God wouldn't have wanted to add just a little bit to it after thousands and thousands of years. All reference books get updated from time to time, except this one.

[Dash87]

19. Exactly. I should have also added to my OP that the Bible isn't the first book of its kind.

Religions are as old as dirt. The Bible isn't the first of its kind, and isn't the last. :)

[dimbear]

33. I'm glad that you have expressed interest in the Book of Mormon.

Is Thursday afternoon good for you? No coffee, please.

[Kurmudgeon]

20. I'm just going to try to cover a few of your points.

1: I'm not here to offend either, that's why I don't go on why I don't follow other beliefs because it's bound to offend someone.
2: Of course The Bible is human, it's meant for humans. God certainly didn't need it.
3: This comparison is flawed, it's like an ant saying a human is an ant because they do some of the same things too. It ignores completely the matter of scale.
4: Leaders, the same as everyone else, will be responsible for their decisions, either in this world or the next. Just remember before you bash any organization, be sure the offender is following the rules of what they purport to be. I'm not Catholic, so any viewpoints on the Pope or Catholicism I leave to those Catholics who care to answer.
5: The problem with any thing that has been around a long time is that it is going to be written about again and again and translated into different languages. Will you disbelieve everything just because it is old and many folks have written on it?
6: The parts of The Bible that should be taken literally are the 10 Commandments and Christ's Testimony. Anything in there that conflicts with that is probably in there to be referred to as an example, a part of ancient Jewish history or just a side note.
Faith is a matter of choice, so choose for yourself. One other thing, you don't worship The Bible, you worship God.
7. The Bible is also many books of history as well as instruction. Consider the times when these parts were entered in, however, as before, The 10 Commandments still over rule any other interpretation.
8: God being referred to as male is more a trick of written language and past bias than anything. Asking if God is male or female is, again, like an ant asking a human if he is a black ant or a red one. God is above humanity, so really has no need of gender.
9: Religion is such a vast and wide topic, but the real question is, in what do you have faith? Also, just because something has been written about a lot isn't necessarily a good reason to disbelieve or discount something.
10: I'm not offended either. I just would like to point out if you're going to discount Christianity, then you need to find something that Christ said that causes you to do so, not some odd bit of past history in the Old Testament. Remember The Bible isn't just one book, but many.
The Bible is inerrant, but the people reading it aren't necessarily so. I am a Christian due to Christ's Testimony only. Without that I wouldn't have even paid attention to the rest.

[RaleighNCDUer]

23. The bible can be inerrant only if the people who have been re-writing

and editing it for the past 2500 years were themselves inerrant.

Was the bible inerrant when it still contained the Book of Enoch, the Gospel of Judas and the Gospel of Mary? Did removing those books by the Council of Nicea make it more inerrant than before?

If it is Christ's testimony that is only important, then of what importance in the inerrancy of the bible? And then, how do you know that he said what he said, when the Gospels were only written between forty and 120 years after his death? Do you remember word for word conversations from 50 years ago?

[Rabblevox]

24. I'm not a Christian but I agree with most of what you said completely.

the people of faith that I love and respect are intelligent, independent, and do not believe God can be constrained or described in a book. They use the Bible to find inspiration, but do no worship a book. And the courage and love I've seen some of them demonstrate just blows me away.

[MikeH]

35. I disagree with what you say about the Ten Commandments

I disagree with your statement: “The parts of The Bible that should be taken literally are the 10 Commandments and Christ's Testimony.”

In particular I very strongly think that the commandment which says to “honor your father and mother” is an example of something in the Bible that is wrong. And I think that it is very unfortunate that this particular commandment is one which is attributed to God and is one of the “Ten Commandments” which have come to lie in the center of traditional Western and Judeo-Christian morality.

The commandment to “honor your father and mother”, in the biblical text, is unconditional, and makes no exception if one’s parents are abusive, or are otherwise not deserving of honor.

In particular I think it is very wrong to say to a person who has or has had an abusive parent or parents that such a person has a duty to honor such parents.

If anything there should be a commandment to parents for them to treat their children with dignity and respect, that they (the children) might come to treat themselves and others with dignity and respect.

I would think that it is a much greater crime or sin to abuse or mistreat a child than it is to talk back to or to otherwise disrespect one’s parents. While not a parent myself, I would think that any good or competent parent, or any parent with any self-respect, would not need the backing of a commandment from God. If anything, I would think that it is bad parents, or http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553284347/drirensgetwithth">toxic parents, who would need to invoke the commandment when they are displeased with something their child says or does, or who would say or imply to a child that when the child displeases or dishonors his/her parents, the child is really displeasing, dishonoring, and disobeying God, or who would say or imply that an affront to one’s parents is an affront to God.



The recently deceased Swiss writer and psychotherapist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Miller_%28psychologist%29">Alice Miller, in her http://www.alice-miller.com/books_en.php">books and on her http://www.alice-miller.com/index_en.php">web http://www.naturalchild.org/alice_miller/">sites, documents some of the consequences of exonerating or “forgiving” abusive parents, or absolving them of blame, in the name of the commandment to “honor your father and mother”.

I would think that one very obvious consequence would be that if a person has been taught from childhood to be mortally afraid of challenging or questioning one’s parents (under threat of punishment, and always reminded to always “honor your father and mother”), then that person is going to be afraid of questioning or challenging other authorities (religious, political, and otherwise) later in life. Alice Miller, particularly in her book http://www.nospank.net/fyog.htm">For Your Own Good, documents that this is the case both with leading figures in the Nazi regime and with many ordinary Germans who acclaimed and went along with Hitler. In fact she even has an http://www.nospank.net/fyog13.htm">entire chapter about Hitler himself and his brutal upbringing, particularly by his father.

And I think that exonerating abusive or http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553284347/drirensgetwithth">toxic parents, or absolving them from blame, and not confronting them, in the name of the commandment to “honor your father and mother”, is not any different from failing to prosecute Bush and Cheney for their crimes.



I feel very strongly about this because of my own very difficult relationship with my father, for which my being a Christian had been of no help to me. While my dad did many very nice things and many very good things, and was far from being the worst father anybody ever had, my dad was often extremely judgmental, and sometimes just bordered on being abusive. He often decided in Godlike fashion that I needed to be treated like I had committed a crime or a heinous sin if I had honestly forgotten something, made an honest mistake, or something was not quite up to his standards. And he would always say that whatever he said or did was done out of “love” and “http://www.nospank.net/fyog.htm">for my own good”. Though he would deny it, my dad often seemed to have the attitude that being father of his children and head of the house gave him certain arbitrary privileges. And if I were angry or upset with him or with something he said or did, it was always a problem with me, and never with him. He seemed to think that he could never be wrong. In fact one of his favorite jokes was “I may not always be right, but I am never wrong.”

I came to realize a little over a year after my dad died, 25 years ago now, that much of my dad’s behavior actually was abusive, or borderline so, and very disrespectful to me. I.e. it was not something wrong (or “sinful”) with me that I had problems with him, and was often angry with him or resented him (which anger and resentment spread to other people and other areas of my life).

And along with that realization came the realization that my being a Christian, and supposedly having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, had been of no help to me in enabling me to deal with my dad. And I don’t think it was simply unfortunate that Christianity turned out not to be of help. Christianity aggravated the problem with, among other things, the commandment to “honor your father and mother”, and with an admonition in Hebrews 12 which says to gladly accept the chastening of the Lord, like that of a “good” father, i.e. much like my father.

In fact my difficulty with my father, for which my being a Christian turned out to have been no help to me, was the single biggest thing which led me to become disenchanted with the Christian faith, and eventually to part company with the faith, and particularly to absolve myself of duties and obligations imposed by the faith (as opposed to those incumbent on any good or moral person), which is something I am happy about having done.

[CrispyQ]

26. God is irrelevant.

It doesn’t matter if you derive your ethical code from an alleged deity, a holy book or simply The Golden Rule. What matters is moment to moment as you live your life, do you follow your code or do you abandon it? I don't need the motivation of reward or the fear of punishment to do what's right. I choose to do what's right because it's the right thing to do. If I choose not to do what's right, it's because I sold out my ethics. Only I can determine that I will do better in the future.

Many religious people feel that non-believers are immoral, simply because we don't believe, while they go about lying, stealing & being mean pricks. Morality is not about what you believe, it’s about how you behave.

The amount of blood, energy & time wasted on this alleged deity is stunniing. I wonder what our species could have accomplished without this distraction.

[Scuba]

28. If there is a god, she sure doesn't like people very much. n/t

[Festivito]

34. Religion is a flawed connection to the absolute -- of course there are holes.

The connection is flawed because we are humans. Numbering the holes in religion would be like naming the pot holes on a side street near your house. Why do it? You probably don't even need that road to get to any destination you select.

Hope your journey is fun.