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enki23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 08:48 PM Original message |
Improved Pascal's wagers |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. let me guess. |
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enki23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. no. though i had a grad level decision theory class a long while back |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
2. Here's a sledgehammer that demolishes not just Pascal's original wager but yours as well. |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. hehehe |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
4. Best I can do is pretend to believe. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
5. The so-called "Pascal's wager" completely misses any interesting or important theological issue, |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Which is funny, when you consider its pervasiveness in apologetics. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I suppose it depends on what you read. My early intellectual development on such |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. That's because the theologians have already accepted the premise of God. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. But I just told you a moment ago that I do not consider that to be a meaningful question: |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. How convenient for you. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I suspect the real foundational difference, between your standpoint and mine, is that |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. How very circumloquacious. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I regard the question as an unproductive distraction, on which we could waste vast expanses |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:15 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. So since you can't provide, or find, an answer for the question, |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I suppose if I am curious about angels, I should follow the advice of Hebrews 13: |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. When you dismiss the question of the existence of deities... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:16 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Superstition does not much interest me, nor ritual (except possibly as a way of encouraging |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. What kind of "authenticity" comes with so little regard for facts and evidence? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. "theologians have already accepted the premise of God." Well? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. A funny statement when you consider that there are theologians who are also atheists. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Then in that case they would be Atheologians since they |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Wrong, as usual. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:03 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Um? "Theology vs. Atheology: Systematic Engagement with Religion & Theism" |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. An interesting, if poorly written, article using a made up term with |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. My point is that your criteria for defining a theologian is wrong and |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Whoever said that was my criteria for defining a theologian? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Those were your words, and yes 'atheology' is a valid term. nt |
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enki23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
32. Actually, no. It doesn't at all. It's central to mainstream Christian theology. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:58 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. It's difficult to imagine how "Pascal's wager" could be "central to mainstream Christian theology" |
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enki23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. not much for reading comprehension, eh? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
6. There's a problem with your conclusion. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
13. Why not a God who values skepticism? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:56 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. ... R. Eliezer made every possible argument, but they did not accept them. He said: 'This carob-tree |
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