They dug John Paul's corpse up and started the blood worshiping rites today

[moobu2]

Pope John Paul II's body was exhumed Friday ahead of a beatification Mass that will leave the Polish-born pontiff one step from sainthood.

YouTube announced, via their blog, that the beatification ceremony on Sunday — which will mark the third in four steps of the canonization process — would be streamed live on the video sharing site.

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The coffin will be brought into Saint Peter's Basilica for the ceremony. Pilgrims will be able to file past it afterward to pay their respects.

A sample of John Paul's blood, taken from the ailing pope during the last days of his life in 2005 in case they were needed during a transfusion, will also be put on show for adoration. The blood, held in four containers at the Vatican's Bambino Gesu hospital in Rome, was never used and has remained in a liquid state due to an anti-coagulant in the containers.

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ceremony will be relayed on giant screens around the city and live on YouTube


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[FSogol]

1. Wish they'd put half the effort in feeding the hungry, helping the poor/sick, and

comforting the hopeless like Jesus did.

:shrug:

[postulater]

2. Gross. What does he deserve to be sainted for?

[xchrom]

5. blowing up vatican 2 -- for starters. nt

[Goblinmonger]

17. Is that a good thing? n/t

[xchrom]

22. no. vatican 2 was a very progressive theological movement.

the catholic church experienced something like a little golden age of acceptance and liberation.

[Sadena Meti]

23. No, Liberation Theology was a progressive movement, and JPII tanked that.

[xchrom]

26. liberation theology and vatican II are linked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

A major player in the formation of liberation theology was CELAM, the Latin American Episcopal Conference.<15> Created in 1955 in Rio de Janeiro (Brazil), CELAM pushed the Second Vatican Council (1962–65) toward a more socially oriented stance.<19> However, CELAM never supported liberation theology as such, since liberation theology was frowned upon by the Vatican, with Pope Paul VI trying to slow the movement after the Second Vatican Council.<20>

After the Second Vatican Council, CELAM held two conferences which were important in determining the future of liberation theology: the first was held in Medellín, Colombia, in 1968, and the second in Puebla, Mexico, in January 1979.<19> The Medellín conference debated how to apply the teachings of Vatican II to Latin America, and its conclusions were strongly influenced by liberation theology.<7>

Cardinal Alfonso López Trujillo was a central figure at the Medellín Conference, and was elected in 1972 as general secretary of CELAM. He represented a more orthodox position, becoming a favorite of pope John Paul II and the "principal scourge of liberation theology."<21> Trujillo's faction became predominant in CELAM after the 1972 Sucre conference, and in the Roman Curia after the CELAM conference in Puebla, Mexico, in January 1979.

Despite the orthodox bishops' predominance in CELAM, a more radical form of liberation theology remained much supported in South America. Thus, the 1979 Puebla Conference was an opportunity for orthodox bishops to reassert control of the radical elements; but they failed. At the Puebla Conference, the orthodox reorientation was met by strong opposition from the liberal part of the clergy, which supported the concept of a "preferential option for the poor". This concept had been approved at the Medellín conference by Bishop Ricard Durand, president of the Commission about Poverty.

Pope John Paul II gave the opening speech at the Puebla Conference. The general tone of his remarks was conciliatory. He criticized radical liberation theology, saying, "this conception of Christ, as a political figure, a revolutionary, as the subversive of Nazareth, does not tally with the Church's catechisms"; however, he did speak of "the ever increasing wealth of the rich at the expense of the ever increasing poverty of the poor", and affirmed that the principle of private property "must lead to a more just and equitable distribution of goods...and, if the common good demands it, there is no need to hesitate at expropriation, itself, done in the right way"; on balance, the Pope offered neither praise nor condemnation.



you can see jp II begining to dismantle vatican II and liberation theology.

[Goblinmonger]

28. I'm aware of the theology of Vatican II

I was just wondering where you came down on it--it was hard for me tell from your post so just trying to clarify. There seems to be so much blind love for JPII as a liberal on here.

[Mz Pip]

3. I find that creepy

Not something I want to watch on a giant screen.

[MineralMan]

4. Seems macabre, but it has nothing to do with me.

Their religion; their rules, I suppose.

I can't see how it affects me in any way, though.

[physioex]

9. Maybe not that specific ceremony...

But you can bet their views have lots affects on your life as well as others.

[MineralMan]

11. No, not so much. Catholicism does not affect my life, really.

For a time, it did, back when they had managed to keep contraceptives off the market. But I was a teenager, then.

[sudopod]

13. If you were a woman, then what these people want to do would affect you very intimately. nt

[provis99]

6. and Christians complain when I call Christianity a death cult.

well, there's more proof it is.

[laconicsax]

19. You took the words right of my mouth. n/t

[Ian David]

7. They're really going to canonize that fucking asshole?

Will he be The Patron Saint of Pedophiles?

[glinda]

8. Ewwwwwwwwww. My grandmother is from his birth town actually but this is way creepy.

[Odin2005]

10. EWWW!

[izquierdista]

12. How long til it's ready to drink?

Are they going to serve it up with some loaves and fishes to the thronging asses? Are they sure they can turn off the transfusubstantiation when the ceremony is over? Or is DosJPs going to be the new two-buck Chuck of the next decade?

[lumpy]

14. Macabre.

x

[frebrd]

15. Ghoulish.....

and sick!

:puke:

[Golden Raisin]

16. Are we back in 1150?

Holy relics? Pilgrimages?

[onager]

18. Yawn. Call me if he re-animates...

Zombie Pope would make a great movie. Mel Gibson could direct.

Maybe even a mini-series, with a tie-in to The Borgias. Which a co-worker's little boy - clearly a future famous film critic - calls "The Boogers."

[jberryhill]

20. They also saved a booger he flicked in the 1990's

So pilgrims can show their devotion to it.

If you can't pay full price for the ceremony, then you can pay homage to some toenail clippings.

[alittlelark]

21. That's kinda sick. I went to the Vatican last summer.

The gift shops were filed w/ John Paul memorabilia. Virtually none of the items featured RATigan.

I was raised Catholic and will confess to a deep admiration of the man.


But the digging up and blood... and the 'live streaming'....


It makes me remember why I am now an atheist.

[edhopper]

24. So explain this to me?

Some one dies and goes to heaven. But he isn't rewarded with sainthood by God, who I would think is the arbiter of such things. He waits around in heaven for years until if and when he is elected to sainthood by a group of people. The same people who have a strict hierarchy where the man on top only answers to God and a everyone must follow his dictum.
If they miss some one or don't have all the info, they aren't sainted, even if the deserve it? And what about those saint who have shown to not have existed or been saints, were all the prayers to them wasted?
This is very confusing.

[skepticscott]

25. Lucky you aren't living 600 years ago

you'd be tortured and burned alive for such impudent questions. You are required to simply accept what you're told, without thought or questioning.

[edhopper]

27. There are parts of the World

were that is still true.

[skepticscott]

29. Hey, they dug up Strom Thurmond

And propped him up in the US Senate for years. How much worse could this be?