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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 08:30 AM Original message |
Not all religious people are anti-progressive idiots. |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
1. A subset of one set, completely contained within it. |
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xoom (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
2. I have met conservatives and libertarians who do not believe in any religion. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
3. I live in a |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
4. Yes, there are atheists among the extreme conservatives. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. Not all Randians are atheists, but, yes, Rand was an atheist. n/t |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
5. I don't know about nonbelievers among the regressive Republicans... |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. There's a class distinction among regressive Republicans. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
7. I know religous progressives and irreligous right wingers |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
8. On Some of Those Issues |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
9. Perhaps on some |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. One of the most insidious homophobes and anti-feminists I know |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Perhaps you could have this friend elaborate as to how those beliefs come together. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. How do you know she is not open minded? nt |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Please feel free to argue |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. If there were no open-minded homophobes and anti-feminists, |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I'll bet you believe in "tolerant bigots," too. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 01:30 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. You cannot address my argument, so you address me. nt |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 08:34 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. You have no argument. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. "Only after a mind opening experience"? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. You've described definition one of open mindedness. |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. My friend was open to new ideas and arguments |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. What you call "a metaphorical clout on the head" I call being open to new evidence. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I agree with you. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Exactly. nt |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
83. How is that framed in her thinking? |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
11. You bet |
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SarahM32 (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
12. Religious people are divided, as "Sheep" and "Goats," as Jesus said they would be. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Just out of curiosity... |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. No. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Mary was not a man. |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. "Man" as in "human." It's not a politically correct phrase. |
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Ron Goetz (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:05 AM Response to Reply #12 |
87. Wheat and Tares, too. Let God sort it out.. Jesus taught us not to judge. |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
13. Political tactics and elitism |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
14. Nor are all atheists anti-religious idiots. Gee. |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
15. Of course not. But it seems that those who are not anti-progressive idiots |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
17. Greed is a more ancient trait than religious belief. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Well, the survival instinct is ancient... |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
19. I agree with the subject line... |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
23. This is a ridiculous thesis. |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Nailed it. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 12:09 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. The right-wing fundamentalists adored Reagan, but he was never known |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
94. Yep. Couldn't even decide which denomination he was. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #23 |
35. "Do you think that Karl Rove, Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh are religious?" |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Where do they claim to be religious? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Why do you assume they aren't? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Not an assumption, based on reading and observation. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. What have you observed... |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 10:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Their total behavior. None of them ever mention their religious beliefs, |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 06:10 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. What about their behavior tells you they aren't religious? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. oh, stuff it. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Yeah, I "roll" by asking for people to back up their claims. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. I did. You didn't. You don't. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 06:05 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. No, I did. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 06:39 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Still waiting. n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Still waiting. n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #63 |
72. Still waiting. n/t |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
92. Hey, are you still waiting? n/t |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
84. O'Reilly and Limbaugh are on record. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. Why do you think those guys are not religious? nt |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Because they're evil right-wingers, of course. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I did not consider your interpretation, but now that I have thought about it, |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. And more importantly, if anyone is bad, they MUST be non-religious. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. I never said anything of the kind. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 06:08 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I know exactly what you said. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. No, you don't. You have no proof, as usual. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. You won't provide anything to back up your claim. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. . |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Link it up. You invented your claim, and can't prove it. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-11 06:05 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. I went ahead and did your work for you. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-30-11 06:38 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Still waiting. n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-01-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Still waiting. n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-03-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Still waiting. n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-05-11 06:05 AM Response to Reply #65 |
74. Still waiting. n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 06:16 AM Response to Reply #65 |
75. Still waiting. n/t |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #75 |
91. Hey, are you still waiting? n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #23 |
59. For the record, |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I hear the sound of porridge being salted.......nt |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Hmm, hard for me to hear anything over the crickets. n/t |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #59 |
77. Apology? You didn't support your position until I busted you on it. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Busted *me*? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Deleted message |
laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 01:55 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Starting with your post, #23: |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. One week later and still no response. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. "when you can't win a debate, divert it down another avenue, and claim that this is the argument" |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
31. I must admit that |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-11 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
50. Ayn Rand worshippers |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-11 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
60. I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-11 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
76. The religious around here are right-wing idiots that listen to Fox news. |
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Ron Goetz (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:08 AM Response to Reply #76 |
88. Around here? Where's that? These threads, or you hometown? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. I wondered the same. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
85. I agree with you there |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. I'm not a Christian. I study eastern traditions. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
89. Ayn Rand was an Atheist. As much as I wish she were not of our club, she was... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. I was about to post 2 words: Ayn Rand. You beat me to it. :) nt |
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